Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

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Hi, Everyone!

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Another suggestion:
Use the “Find” function (often under “Edit” in your internet browser bar/ “frame”) to find the exact phrase or word you’re looking for on the page. Some of the articles can be quite long…

Now, enjoy the notes and the comments! You will find—as far as I know—absolutely unique (or close to it) commentary on the Book of Mormon in every post. Most of my posts will be in an article format, though there will be shorter ones, too. There are currently over 600 articles here…

I love digging in the Book of Mormon. I hope that this blog encourages you to do so, too.

I believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and am a member/ LDS/ Mormon.

Twenty years ago, I thought that there wasn’t much more to learn about the Book of Mormon—I had read it to exhaustion (so I thought).

Shortly after, I kept reading the Book of Mormon with new purpose—and what do you know, more insights came and came.

I used to absolutely love reading the Seminary/ Institute manual when I was young and getting what I could. I learned about FARMS, FAIR, and other websites that had lots of great information. I began to take my study of the Book of Mormon to new levels and heights.

I participated on a religious discussion board or so, but after many negative experiences, left. Nevertheless, my time there was really something, and that *really* helped my study and thinking skills, and desire to learn more. On one of my last threads there, a published religious writer who was previously believing-LDS, but is currently non-believing and non-LDS, asked me to put all my writings up on one site, or on a blog. (I had a blog in the past; Google locked me out of it, and it was in the netherworld for a long time…)

While he and I are different in some ways, we seemed to share a recognition that—contrary to popular belief, especially that of critics and anti-Mormons—the Book of Mormon is extremely complex and deep.

I believe it was way too complex and deep for Joseph Smith to have written it or even compiled it.

Yes, the Book of Mormon reads quite simply, and it seems simplistic. A beginner with little background can gain a lot and seem to understand a lot. Outside of the Isaiah parts, it doesn’t seem like there’s much to it. But—if you are open-minded—if that is your current state of thinking, you may expect to be amazed as I was.

Sometimes I am an extremist, so to say, and I finally know it. You don’t need to write me to say so. My views buck the current PC view of many things, including politics and history.

I already know that many of you aren’t like that, and might not ever be. That’s ok—I’m used to it; almost my entire family is that way, too. But there is hope for you… Lol ;) Much of that might have to do with certain conditions that I have, situations that I have been in and am still in, and life experiences–a recipe for uniqueness.

I also know that some of you might not be able to swallow, much less chew, some of these notes. That’s ok, too. (One of the funniest—as in “most interesting/ unbelievable”, not “humorous”—experiences I had on the discussion board was when I posted a link to one of my articles, and a long-time LDS member who said she had really “seen it all” on the boards by venturing into “enemy territory”, was a great stalwart defender, and holds a PhD in Psychology, was so shocked by what she read in an article, that she actually went back to the thread later, “warned” everyone not to read the article, and then proceeded to delete *every single one* of her positive comments from the thread. Yeah. But, you might have done the same, too. I might have, too.)

Chances are, you will skip some of the articles and notes after reading a sentence or opening paragraph. You *will* get emotional—very emotional—on a few of these posts. There’s a reason for it. Sure, what I wrote could be wrong. On the other hand, it could be right; in psychology, it’s called “snapping”: when you get your world quickly turned upside down; and worst of all, it seems logical. You will miss the full effect of the principles and notes because of all this, but you will still gain.


So here we are.

You, and I.

Wait…you’re still here??

I challenge you to *not* be amazed at this book.

Strap on your seatbelt, buckle your helmet.

Let’s get started…

*Comments? It’s pretty simple. If you have comments that add to the notes, I will gladly publish them. If you want to comment otherwise, don’t expect your comments to be published. Be warned, I greatly dislike hypocritical comments, and sometimes I drip with sarcasm…

*Avoid this following section unless you ever think I am a nutcase and unpatriotic and going to hell and all that (which is inevitable on a religious blog with weird articles) (–and I’m very sorry to write this for most of you who know how to comport yourselves and are great people, much better than I, and have yet ignored my warning to not read this part): “get lost, and get a life”. Yeah, I know, a “Mormon” might have just sinned. Ok, maybe I just will go to hell… (Now forgive me, or you’ll join me there.) Because, I don’t really care what you think. In fact, I already know you likely *don’t* think as much as you think you do. I have a decent understanding of what I think and why I think that way–which is something you likely don’t. Why do *you* believe the things you do? If you are familiar with the subject and think I’m way off on and can show me great evidence to the contrary, I am very willing to consider and change my ways. Hey, look at where I am right now in my beliefs–how do you think I got here? Someone presented evidence, and I changed. (Haha, sometimes it took a while…) I’ve lived life mainly on the outside anyway, and the longer I stay, the more reason I see to stay. Now, how willing are *you* to consider things and change if best?


  1. I want to subscribe..?

    Comment by Kyle — 2008, November 26 @ 4:56 pm

  2. I read who you are but… WHO are you…
    1) Do you have a name
    2) Where do you live now
    3) What is your profession
    4) What is your education
    5) How old are you

    I would guess…
    1) Bob
    2) Idaho
    3) Educator
    4) Lots
    5) 39

    Does any of this really matter… NO
    WHY… because I would enjoy yer stuff anyway

    1) Paul
    2) Utah
    3) Construction
    4) some college(2yr)
    5) old(58)

    Comment by Paul — 2009, May 8 @ 2:20 pm

  3. Hi Paul,

    Thanks for your comments!
    There are a few reasons for keeping the website “faceless”.
    The main reason is, too many times in the LDS Church we read things and we don’t know what to think.
    So we look at who wrote it, and if we recognize the name, then we decide what to think, we decide whether to believe or not, based on that.
    Or we look at the picture, and we think, “That looks like a nice person, so I’ll trust him”, or not.
    In other words, we find a way to *avoid* thinking for ourselves, and feeling for and understanding the promptings and teachings of the Holy Spirit.
    We rely way too much on worldy means to understand spiritual things.
    At this point, to me, I think that keeps us from truly growing.
    On the debate board, I saw too many people who “ran with the crowd”‘s way of thinking, just because “So-and-so said…” or it fit their little private agenda or tangent of belief.
    America has huge problems right now because we are all too easily persuaded to think and believe one way or another, often at the whim of an authority figure, or what everyone else is doing, or what the latest scientific research says, etc.
    I think reason, truth, stands on its own and doesn’t need a name of someone we are familiar with and feel comfortable with, to be able to back it up and “make” us believe. Of course, just because it can stand on its own, doesn’t mean it has to; but I really *do* want people to think and contemplate.

    Comment by grego — 2009, May 11 @ 2:34 am

  4. Great post, great looking website, added it to my favorites!

    Comment by anarryism — 2009, December 11 @ 10:28 pm

  5. I agree with grego, I think all should seek understanding for themselves from God, who knows all truth, which I also believe that He will tell us through the Spirit, even if it is not taught from the Prophets of God; on the condition we put forth the effort and having the faith to ask and have faith to receive, just as Joseph Smith said
    “I thank God that I have got this old book; but I thank him more for the gift of the Holy
    Ghost. I have got the oldest book in the world; but I [also] have the oldest book in my heart, even
    the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 349

    The Spirit also helps people understand from truth from error, All members need to learn from the Spirit, and we can know and have a perfect understanding of the Scriptures.

    Comment by Normancomp — 2010, December 27 @ 5:59 am

  6. Thanks for sharing that!

    Comment by grego — 2010, December 31 @ 6:58 am

  7. Hi there – I’d love for you to come be a part of The Book of Mormon Forum:

    You can link-up your Book of Mormon posts here each month…(a new link-up just went up today…0

    Comment by Jocelyn — 2012, January 22 @ 6:49 pm

  8. I love the Book of Mormon. Truly has changed my life.

    Comment by sean — 2012, April 18 @ 7:41 pm

  9. The Book of Mormon is such a powerful book, I love it because I learn something different every time I read it.

    Comment by Brandon Lott — 2012, April 30 @ 4:55 pm

  10. one thing to assist in how deep you can dig is “digging deep”. I mean this in the manner of taking notes. It helps process it. I did that the second time I read the Book of Mormon. The first it was just to say I had read the Book of Mormon due to being Mormon my whole life. Then as I mentioned previous I took notes the second time. It also helped on the prayer challenge at the end. Since the first time was just to say I got it done the prayer wasn’t exactly meaningful. I still got something, but not what I was expecting and not that strong. Then the second was stronger since this time it’s due to wanting to see what it’s actually like for that manifestation. Even at that it wasn’t immediate. If you want to see what we’re talking about a little more you can try it for free.

    Comment by Cody Bosch — 2012, May 3 @ 4:59 pm

  11. Cody,

    That was wonderful, thanks for sharing. :)

    I agree with you! When you start to take notes, stop to ponder, and often ask “Exactly what, and why?”, it’s a different experience.

    Many people read it fast and often, others read it slow and pondering every word. I’ve found a combination the most helpful. In fact, I suggest those who haven’t read it before to read the children’s reader a few times first, then reading all of it fast; this lets you catch on to the whole thing, understand the big picture, the history, the main points, and link things. Reading it slowly brings more opportunities for insights. Many members do the first well, but they never understand or see so much of what’s in it. Many of the scholars do only the second well, so they often get tripped up when they start running with a thought in that seems fine in one spot, but is shot down in other areas of the Book of Mormon (many examples on this blog). Both are truly needed. I also suggest listening to the Book of Mormon, as that also helps open up a new avenue of communication.

    “Then as I mentioned previous I took notes the second time. It also helped on the prayer challenge at the end.”
    I really agree with this, it makes sense. Just as in the general conference talk, recording the insights we get shows God it’s important to us, and it’s also a record to us of how God has helped us understand the things He’s given us.

    Best wishes,

    Comment by grego — 2012, May 5 @ 1:10 am

  12. To learn more about The Book of Mormon, click here.

    Comment by Elder Landon (@ElderLandon1) — 2012, September 7 @ 5:33 pm

  13. I love how the Book of Mormon teaches us how we can become better people and live more fulfilling lives. I recommend this site for everyone.

    Comment by Benjamin — 2012, September 20 @ 9:17 pm

  14. I just noticed the use of the word ‘dross’ twice in Alma 31 and 34 and wondered about the connection. Found this site on google. I wonder if it applies to the politics and economics and income disparity of our day.

    Comment by marcy swan — 2013, March 23 @ 8:16 pm

  15. The thing that seems to come first to my mind is “you can not take it all with you”. Lehi was in the wilderness with his family. He was here on Earth. I am aware that the most important things are family and love for 2 examples…

    Comment by freshnewblog — 2013, August 11 @ 6:03 pm

  16. Please keep me posted I like it,

    Comment by Nick — 2014, January 20 @ 5:02 pm

  17. Grego, I want to know what the LDS is doing for Veterans with PTSD and drug addiction. I am part of a very large group that has the vision of changing the laws to get some of the natural healing that is supported by the Church. Specifically ibogaine and MDMA, ibogaine cures opiate addiction in one week and MDMA is super effective in treating PTSD for our veterans (over 3000 with PTSD have committed suicide). I am Director of Religious Affiliation for our group Tribe Bonobo. I would like you help anyway you can to get to the people within the Church that can help move this to become a reality for our Vets and othe suffering people. We belive like you that God gives us the power over these problems.
    I would like your input and help if you desire. We are developing petitions to make these available legally and podcasts to educate the masses. My focus is the churc at large.
    I am a Christian and a minister of the Gospel
    In Service To The King.
    John M Smith

    Comment by johnmsmithsr — 2014, August 23 @ 2:25 pm

  18. As far as service goes as a church or a church program, not much. The church usually doesn’t do too much service as a church, but encourages each individual to find ways to serve. And the majority are wrapped up in Western medicine pretty tightly…
    But, I can’t help but imagine that there are individual LDS workers/ volunteers helping all kinds of groups of people who need help, including veterans groups.
    As I read about the suicides online I was saddened, and I don’t think the VA or government is going to help much (though I hope for the best), so I believe that if it is to be done, it’s going to have to be done by “the people”.

    Comment by grego — 2014, September 13 @ 8:38 am

  19. what are you saying “the church doesn’t do much service as a church” You could not be more mistaken. The church sponsors addiction classes and counseling and sends thousands of service missionaries all over the world. The Church spends millions of dollars and man hours doing service. Local leaders spend countless hours counseling and helping those who are in need and yes, they do encourage members to do all they can to serve as well on their own. Christ served and we follow his example. My husband and I served a church service mission for 18 months. We are one of thousands of church service volunteers.

    Comment by Anonymous — 2015, January 3 @ 3:58 pm

  20. Brother Greg O. Thank you for your time, effort, and modesty. I don’t know that I could have spent so many hours on such an endeavor as yours without reaching out for a little ‘glory’.

    I especially enjoyed your comments about the sins of the children and I wrote a comment there.

    I was obviously looking for more knowledge about you by coming here to your comments.

    I find it extremely curious that in your comments above you talk about a person who was a previous believer but is now a non-believer who appears to share your belief that the Book of Mormon is very complex and beyond the imagination of Joseph Smith. I imply from that it must be of divine origin. If so, how can he ‘deny the faith’?

    One of the most outrageous things I ever encountered was that those who are ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth could say that Joseph Smith made up the story of the first vision!

    Thanks again. Love to see your response or see part or all of my comments posted.

    Comment by Ross — 2015, February 28 @ 11:38 am

  21. Many people knew the truth, and still know that it is the truth, yet “deny the faith”. That non-believer is now a believer again. He just needed some things, I guess. :)

    Comment by grego — 2015, March 7 @ 1:36 pm

  22. Yes, the Church does serve a lot. But it can’t serve every cause, every place–it leaves it up to us as individuals to find our space and serve. If you put my quote back in context, I hope you’ll see what I meant. :)

    Comment by grego — 2015, March 7 @ 1:38 pm

  23. I am working on a degree in psychology but I started studying the book ok Mormon way before. I am nondenominational and a Christian, but I study denominations as part of my career. I ask Jesus to use me in this study for his purpose and through this study I have learned that there are all kinds of cities in the Book of Mormon that even the officials of LDS say they do not know of any geographical locations of their existence and do not have to know. The Gadianton robbers are supposedly at the sign of Christ birth doing evil everywhere but our Holy God Breathed scripture (2 Timothy 3:16) has never mentioned them. The Book of Mormon says the Gadianton robbers are all over the land including the city of Zarahelmna which is supposedly in America as well but supposedly Mormons can’t prove the geographic location. They are all over the world but are so secret that only the Mormons seem to know the secret combination. I have read nowhere in our Holy Scriptures the Bible that said at the sign of Christ Birth the daylight went into night as daylight and again the next day at daylight in that order (Third Nephi, The Book of Nephi Chapter 1).

    Comment by Anonymous — 2016, May 17 @ 9:47 pm

  24. Hey Someone,
    You’re right–different signs in different areas.

    Comment by grego — 2016, June 6 @ 4:59 am

  25. How could js have restored the original christian church when a little research into the real early church through the antenicene fathers (who are early bishops and church historians ) proves that js ideas are heretical and just plain dont match up to early church doctrine at all….read eusebius early christian bishop. No more wondering..its proof. Eastern orthodoxy actually matches perfectly. Out with 30 yrs of hearing the fake doctrine. At least i found out

    Comment by Suzanne — 2016, July 26 @ 3:00 pm

  26. I have no idea what you mean, but I’m sure you do.

    Comment by grego — 2016, July 29 @ 11:28 am

  27. You can dig and dig! :)

    Comment by Roger Pack — 2018, May 16 @ 10:39 pm

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