Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

2012, January 30

“Book of Mormon; Doctrine and Covenants: Which is the Greatest Gift of God? (1 Nephi 15:36; Mosiah 8:16; 1 Nephi 26:30; Ether 12:34; Moroni 10:21; DC 6:13; DC14:7; DC 12:8)” by grego

“Book of Mormon; Doctrine and Covenants: Which is the Greatest Gift of God?” by grego

grego
(c)2012

When it is asked, “Which is the greatest gift of God?”, some wise soul will usually quote this:
Doctrine and Covenants 14:7 And, if you keep my commandments and endure to the end you shall have eternal life, which gift is the greatest of all the gifts of God.

But, what about this?
Doctrine and Covenants 6:13 If thou wilt do good, yea, and hold out faithful to the end, thou shalt be saved in the kingdom of God, which is the greatest of all the gifts of God; for there is no gift greater than the gift of salvation.

Or this?
1 Nephi 15:36 Wherefore, the wicked are rejected from the righteous, and also from that tree of life, whose fruit is most precious and most desirable above all other fruits; yea, and it is the greatest of all the gifts of God. And thus I spake unto my brethren. Amen.

Then there’s this:
Mosiah 8:16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.

And this:
1 Nephi 26:30 Behold, the Lord hath forbidden this thing; wherefore, the Lord God hath given a commandment that all men should have charity, which charity is love. And except they should have charity they were nothing. Wherefore, if they should have charity they would not suffer the laborer in Zion to perish.

Ether 12:34 And now I know that this love which thou hast had for the children of men is charity; wherefore, except men shall have charity they cannot inherit that place which thou hast prepared in the mansions of thy Father.

Moroni 10:21 And except ye have charity ye can in nowise be saved in the kingdom of God; neither can ye be saved in the kingdom of God if ye have not faith; neither can ye if ye have no hope.

And even this:
Doctrine and Covenants 12:8 And no one can assist in this work except he shall be humble and full of love, having faith, hope, and charity, being temperate in all things, whatsoever shall be entrusted to his care.

More than one right answer?? I guess it has to do with context, timing, and sequence. So next time that happens, have fun!

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“Book of Mormon: Theme of ‘Know’ in 1 Nephi 17” by grego

Book of Mormon: Theme of “Know” in 1 Nephi 17

grego
(c)2012

There is some fun in 1 Nephi 17 regarding “knowing”.

First, Npehi talks about what the Lehites had been told they would know at a future date:
1 Nephi 17:13 And I will also be your light in the wilderness; and I will prepare the way before you, if it so be that ye shall keep my commandments; wherefore, inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments ye shall be led towards the promised land; and *ye shall know* that it is by me that ye are led.
14 Yea, and the Lord said also that: After ye have arrived in the promised land, *ye shall know* that I, the Lord, am God; and that I, the Lord, did deliver you from destruction; yea, that I did bring you out of the land of Jerusalem.

The Lehites would know God had led them through the wilderness, and that He had delivered them from destruction had they remained in Jerusalem.

Laman and Lemuel start off the big “know” contest:
1 Nephi 17:22 And *we know* that the people who were in the land of Jerusalem were a righteous people; for they kept the statutes and judgments of the Lord, and all his commandments, according to the law of Moses; wherefore, *we know* that they are a righteous people; and our father hath judged them, and hath led us away because we would hearken unto his words; yea, and our brother is like unto him. And after this manner of language did my brethren murmur and complain against us.

So Nephi comes back with what Laman and Lemuel R E A L L Y KNOW about Egypt, the Exodus, the Israelites in the wilderness, etc.:
1 Nephi 17:23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, spake unto them, saying: Do ye believe that our fathers, who were the children of Israel, would have been led away out of the hands of the Egyptians if they had not hearkened unto the words of the Lord?
24 Yea, do ye suppose that they would have been led out of bondage, if the Lord had not commanded Moses that he should lead them out of bondage?
25 Now *ye know* that the children of Israel were in bondage; and *ye know* that they were laden with tasks, which were grievous to be borne; wherefore, *ye know* that it must needs be a good thing for them, that they should be brought out of bondage.
26 Now *ye know* that Moses was commanded of the Lord to do that great work; and *ye know* that by his word the waters of the Red Sea were divided hither and thither, and they passed through on dry ground.
27 But ye know that the Egyptians were drowned in the Red Sea, who were the armies of Pharaoh.
28 And *ye also know* that they were fed with manna in the wilderness.
29 Yea, and *ye also know* that Moses, by his word according to the power of God which was in him, smote the rock, and there came forth water, that the children of Israel might quench their thirst.

42 And they did harden their hearts from time to time, and they did revile against Moses, and also against God; nevertheless, *ye know* that they were led forth by his matchless power into the land of promise.
43 And now, after all these things, the time has come that they have become wicked, yea, nearly unto ripeness; and *I know not* but they are at this day about to be destroyed ; for *I know* that the day must surely come that they must be destroyed, save a few only, who shall be led away into captivity.

Nephi scolds Laman and Lemuel and tells them what they know about God:
1 Nephi 17:45 Ye are swift to do iniquity but slow to remember the Lord your God. Ye have seen an angel, and he spake unto you; yea, ye have heard his voice from time to time; and he hath spoken unto you in a still small voice, but ye were past feeling, that ye could not feel his words; wherefore, he has spoken unto you like unto the voice of thunder, which did cause the earth to shake as if it were to divide asunder.
46 And *ye also know* that by the power of his almighty word he can cause the earth that it shall pass away; yea, and *ye know* that by his word he can cause the rough places to be made smooth, and smooth places shall be broken up. O, then, why is it, that ye can be so hard in your hearts?

The parallel between the wicked Israelites and Laman and Lemuel was not misunderstood, and they are angry. They threaten to kill him, but he tells them to back off, and they do.

Then, this happens:
1 Nephi 17:53 And it came to pass that the Lord said unto me: Stretch forth thine hand again unto thy brethren, and they shall not wither before thee, but I will shock them, saith the Lord, and this will I do, that *they may know* that I am the Lord their God.

He shocks them, and:
55 And now, they said: *We know of a surety* that the Lord is with thee, for *we know* that it is the power of the Lord that has shaken us. And they fell down before me, and were about to worship me, but I would not suffer them, saying: I am thy brother, yea, even thy younger brother; wherefore, worship the Lord thy God, and honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which the Lord thy God shall give thee.

Funny what they now know… But we know it won’t last long.

(I thought I had already posted this long ago, but I couldn’t find it, so…)

“Book of Mormon: Bountiful Prepared of the Lord–Maybe not What We’re Looking for? (1 Nephi 17:5)” by grego

Book of Mormon: Bountiful Prepared of the Lord–Maybe not What We’re Looking for? (1 Nephi 17:5)

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(c)2012

1 Nephi 17:5 And we did come to the land which we called Bountiful, because of its much fruit and also wild honey; and *all these things were prepared of the Lord that we might not perish*. And we beheld the sea, which we called Irreantum, which, being interpreted, is many waters.

Bountiful might or might not have been a “normal” oasis that every Book of Mormon researcher is looking for in the Arabian peninsula–Nephi makes it clear that it was prepared of the Lord” to specifically preserve the Lehites.

On the other hand, there’s no need to limit Bountiful to a place that only existed for the Lehites, not before or after. It could have been a once-in-a-while oasis, or one that hand’t been used up yet/ that was passed over by other people, etc.

“Book of Mormon Language: Nephi’s Phrase ‘Touch Me with Their Fingers'” by grego

Book of Mormon Language: Nephi’s Phrase “Touch Me with Their Fingers” by grego

grego
(c)2012

1 Nephi 17:52 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said many things unto my brethren, insomuch that they were confounded and could not contend against me; *neither durst they lay their hands upon me nor touch me with their fingers*, even for the space of many days. Now they durst not do this lest they should wither before me, so powerful was the Spirit of God; and thus it had wrought upon them.

I find that phrase interesting: “touch me with their fingers”. I wonder if that is an expression of speech in their language that Nephi is using, or is it an interesting translation?

2012, January 27

LDS/ Mormon Men: Please Share Your Personal Experiences about Problems (Pornography/ Cheating on your wife/ Drugs/ Video games/ etc.) Stemming from Negative Treatment from Your Wife (Nagging/ Complaining/ Withholding sex/ Overspending/ Anger/ Looking down on you/ other)

LDS/ Mormon Men: Please Share Your Personal Experiences about Problems (Pornography/ Cheating on your wife/ Drugs/ Video games/ etc.) Stemming from Negative Treatment from Your Wife (Nagging/ Complaining/ Withholding sex/ Overspending/ Anger/ Looking down on you/ other)

grego
(c)2012

From General Conference talks and conversations, it seems most LDS/ Mormons see these issues as completely unrelated, but in a few conversations with non-members, these issues can, at the least, be related.

I’m wondering if there’s any relevance for LDS men.

So, please share personal experiences (or at least clearly confirmed second-hand experiences) where there was a relationship between treatment from your wife and bad results.

Particularly nice would be comments where men were non-viewing/ non-participating/ non-addicted UNTIL those spousal situations, and then turned to it as a release or escape mechanism.

Thanks,
grego

2012, January 26

“Book of Mormon: The Lord’s Promise to Nephi (1 Nephi 2)” by grego

“Book of Mormon: The Lord’s Promise to Nephi (1 Nephi 2)” by grego

grego
(c)2012

What were the Lord’s promises to Nephi? I think we mess this up just a little, forgetting a part or two:

1 Nephi 2:20 And inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments, ye shall prosper, and shall be led to a land of promise; yea, even a land which I have prepared for you; yea, a land which is choice above all other lands.
 21 And inasmuch as thy brethren shall rebel against thee, they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord.
 22 And *inasmuch as thou shalt keep my commandments, thou shalt be made a ruler and a teacher over thy brethren*.
 23 For behold, in that day that they shall rebel against me, I will curse them even with a sore curse, and they shall have no power over thy seed except they shall rebel against me also.
 24 And if it so be that they rebel against me, they shall be a scourge unto thy seed, to stir them up in the ways of remembrance.

We usually forget that it wasn’t about Laman and Lemuel, but about Nephi: if he kept the Lord’s commandments, he would be “made a ruler and a teacher”.

While likely connected, the part about his brothers not being righteous had to do with being cut off from the presence of the Lord, not about Nephi being their ruler.

2012, January 18

“Book of Mormon: Nephi’s Concrete Claim to Leadership Angers Laman and Lemuel; They Lead a Coup to Counter (1 Nephi 16)” by grego

Book of Mormon: Nephi’s Concrete Claim to Leadership Angers Laman and Lemuel; They Lead a Coup to Counter (1 Nephi 16)

grego
(c)2012

Let’s take a look at a few things in 1 Nephi 16 today.

They are commanded to start out, and all is going ok until this:
1 Nephi 16:18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine steel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
 19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
 20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did murmur against the Lord.
 21 Now it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their springs, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
 22 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto complaining against the Lord their God.
 23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto myfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?
 24 And it came to pass that he did inquire of the Lord, for they had humbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.
 25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly chastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.
 26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.
 27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were written upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.
 28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the faith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.
 29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us understanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by small means the Lord can bring about great things.
 30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the directions which were given upon the ball.
 31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild beasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.
 32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained food, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.
 33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.

Everyone is starving. Laman and Lemuel’s bows have been ruined, so they are relying on Nephi’s bow; but it breaks. Oh, Nephi! Now we don’t have food! (Reminds me of how players on basketball teams blame the last person throwing the free throw wh misses for their loss, when in fact he was the one who had the highest field goal percentage throughout the game!) Did Laman and Lemuel get any food? Nope. For such cool guys, that kind of stinks, huh? I guess they weren’t very proficient with the sling. But Nephi doesn’t quit, as his brothers already did when their bows lost their spring and just relied on him. He makes a new bow, and a new arrow. Others long ago have explained he needs to make a new arrow because of the difference in the bows.) Today, it hit me : ONE arrow!! Wow, forget David and his FIVE stones.
With one arrow, Nephi was going to provide food for the entire family (at least 18 adults)–Laman and Lemuel must have been laughing and ridiculing him!–had it not been that they themselves were starving and hoping it would work. Contrast this with the ridicule and scorn they heap on Nephi when they are in Bountiful, the land of plenty, and Nephi starts building a ship. Why? They had it good, they weren’t interested in the promised land or a boat. They just follow the supposition that most people only hope others succeed when it means their own survival and betterment.
So Nephi gets directions of where to go, goes, and brings back food for the entire family; no one is hungry.
This time, Nephi does not just get the plates that seem to have nothing to do with their immediate temporal welfare; he actually saves his brothers and their families, and his father’s entire family, from starvation. I believe this is a claim to “ownership”/ dominion over his brothers and family that has been overlooked. Right, notice that Laman and Lemuel were nowhere to be found on Nephi’s hunting trip, just like they were nowhere around when Nephi slew Laban and got the plates. Yes, another fulfillment of the prophecy about his ruling over and teaching his brothers:
1 Nephi 2:21 And inasmuch as thy brethren shall rebel against thee, they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord.
 22 And inasmuch as thou shalt keep my commandments, thou shalt be made a ruler and a teacher over thy brethren.
and 1 Nephi 3:29 And it came to pass as they smote us with a rod, behold, an angel of the Lord came and stood before them, and he spake unto them, saying: Why do ye smite your younger brother with a rod? Know ye not that the Lord hath chosen him to be a ruler over you, and this because of your iniquities? Behold ye shall go up to Jerusalem again, and the Lord will deliver Laban into your hands.

1 Nephi 16:34 And it came to pass that Ishmael died, and was buried in the place which was called Nahom.
 35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did mourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their afflictions in the wilderness; and they did murmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.
 36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to return again to Jerusalem.
 37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us slay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our ruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.

After Ishmael dies and is buried, where is the leadership in his family–with his (old) wife, or the oldest son? Or, more likely: with Ishmael gone, were Lehi and Nephi the only ones standing in the way of Laman and Lemuel taking over the leadership of both families; and they figured that with the help of Ishmael’s sons, the coup would be easier to pull off, and would even build unity among them? I wonder if Laman and Lemuel were feeling the weight of the forthcoming change in family leadership, and try to take this opportunity to strengthen Ishmael’s sons’ ties/ bonds with them instead of Lehi and Nephi.
Do you think Laman and Lemuel would have been able to remember how to get back across the desert to arrive safely back in Jerusalem, as Ishmaels’ daughters hoped? Nahom was a long way away from Jerusalem. Or had they forgotten that the Liahona had led them? Did they think it would work for them, after they had killed Lehi and Nephi? Didn’t Nephi speak against them, and the Liahona (not in his possession, so he couldn’t have pulled a fraud) more or less confirm his words to them, and they trembled because of them (1 Nephi 16:27)? (Frankly, I think they would think that…)
So even though this has happened:
1 Nephi 3:29 And it came to pass as they smote us with a rod, behold, an angel of the Lord came and stood before them, and he spake unto them, saying: Why do ye smite your younger brother with a rod? Know ye not that the Lord hath chosen him to be a ruler over you, and this because of your iniquities? Behold ye shall go up to Jerusalem again, and the Lord will deliver Laban into your hands.

they lie to the sons of Ishmael and say:
 38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that angels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman stir up their hearts to anger.

So, in irony, the voice of the Lord comes–now everyone hears it openly; but instead of telling them they will be rulers and teachers, it tells them to repent!:
 39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did chasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.

2012, January 17

“Book of Mormon; Doctrine and Covenants: How Great Shall Be Your Joy (1 Nephi 16:32; Doctrine and Covenants 18:10-16)” by grego

Book of Mormon; Doctrine and Covenants: How Great Shall Be Your Joy (1 Nephi 16:32; Doctrine and Covenants 18:10-16)

grego
(c)2012

I was reading today in 1 Nephi 16:

 18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine steel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
 19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
 20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did murmur against the Lord.
 21 … it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
 23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto myfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?

 30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the directions which were given upon the ball.
 31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild beasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.

and then this scripture:

1 Nephi 16:32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained food, *how great was their joy!* And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.

“How great was their joy!” reminded me of these verses:

Doctrine and Covenants 18:10 Remember *the worth of souls is great in the sight of God*;
 11 For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him.
 12 And he hath risen again from the dead, that he might bring all men unto him, on conditions of repentance.
 13 And *how great is his joy in the soul that repenteth!*
 14 Wherefore, you are called to cry repentance unto this people.
 15 And if it so be that you should labor all your days in crying repentance unto this people, and bring, save it be one soul unto me, *how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father!*
 16 And now, if *your joy will be great with one soul* that you have brought unto me into the kingdom of my Father, *how great will be your joy if you should bring many souls unto me!*

How great is the worth of souls? How great is Jesus’ joy in the soul that repents? How great will be your joy?

Well, think of walking long distances in the desert. You are tired and sore. You have been thirsty for hours, and on food rations for days. You are hungry; your spouse is hungry; your children are crying from hunger. It’s time to find food and end it! But suddenly the best means of catching the only available food is gone. The hunger is almost unbearable.
Then, a while later, lying in your tent from fatigue and depression and wondering how long before you die, you hear someone call out: “I have brought food; come eat!” Everyone feasts.
How do you feel? How did you feel when someone called out? How did you feel about the meal? How do you feel about the person that brought you the food?

2012, January 13

“Interesting Language Use of ‘I, [Name]’ throughout the Book of Mormon” by grego

“Interesting Language Use of ‘I, [Name]’ throughout the Book of Mormon”

grego
(c)2012

From the very first verse in the Book of Mormon, we have the use of the phrase, “I,[Name]”. In fact, Nephi writes “I, Nephi” around fifty times, just up to 1 Nephi 18! Is it to remind the reader that I=Nephi, or that Nephi is writing?

While that does happen in a few instances, a quick look shows us that this phrase is used much as “And it came to pass”–as a literary marker to show the start of a new idea, action, or topic, especially if it’s one that is critical or a turning point in the story.

Here are a few examples:
Nephi has been talking with his brothers; he stops, and leaves.
1 Nephi 3:1 AND it came to pass that I, Nephi, returned from speaking with the Lord, to the tent of my father.

His father talks to him, explaining the situation, and:
1 Nephi 3:7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.

His father is happy and replies, and then they leave:
1 Nephi 3:9 And I, Nephi, and my brethren took our journey in the wilderness, with our tents, to go up to the land of Jerusalem.

The brothers make two attempts at getting the plates as a group, and then:
1 Nephi 4:5 And it was by night; and I caused that they should hide themselves without the walls. And after they had hid themselves, I, Nephi, crept into the city and went forth towards the house of Laban.

The Spirit tells Nephi to slay Laban; he contemplates, and then the critical forward motion:
1 Nephi 4:14 And now, when I, Nephi, had heard these words, I remembered the words of the Lord which he spake unto me in the wilderness, saying that: Inasmuch as thy seed shall keep my commandments, they shall prosper in the land of promise.

Nephi gets the plates and goes with Zoram to his brothers, and Zoram flees:
1 Nephi 4:31 And now I, Nephi, being a man large in stature, and also having received much strength of the Lord, therefore I did seize upon the servant of Laban, and held him, that he should not flee.

Note that in these instances that when others are spoken of, the name or group or “we” is used.

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A very incomplete list of some instances throughout the Book of Mormon (there were so many, I got tired of making it!!).

1 Nephi 1:1 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a record of my proceedings in my days.

4 For it came to pass in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah, (my father, Lehi (THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION/ FIRST TIME), having dwelt at Jerusalem in all his days); and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people that they must repent, or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed.

5 Wherefore it came to pass that my father, Lehi (THIS AND ALL OTHERS ARE REPEATS), as he went forth prayed unto the Lord, yea, even with all his heart, in behalf of his people.

16 And now I, Nephi, do not make a full account of the things which my father hath written, for he hath written many things which he saw in visions and in dreams; and he also hath written many things which he prophesied and spake unto his children, of which I shall not make a full account.

18 Therefore, I would that ye should know, that after the Lord had shown so many marvelous things unto my father, Lehi, yea, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, behold he went forth among the people, and began to prophesy and to declare unto them concerning the things which he had both seen and heard.

20 And when the Jews heard these things they were angry with him; yea, even as with the prophets of old, whom they had cast out, and stoned, and slain; and they also sought his life, that they might take it away. But behold, I, Nephi, will show unto you that the tender mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen, because of their faith, to make them mighty even unto the power of deliverance.

1 Nephi 2:16 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, being exceedingly young, nevertheless being large in stature, and also having great desires to know of the mysteries of God, wherefore, I did cry unto the Lord; and behold he did visit me, and did soften my heart that I did believe all the words which had been spoken by my father; wherefore, I did not rebel against him like unto my brothers.

1 Nephi 3:1 AND it came to pass that I, Nephi, returned from speaking with the Lord, to the tent of my father.

1 Nephi 3:7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.

1 Nephi 3:9 And I, Nephi, and my brethren took our journey in the wilderness, with our tents, to go up to the land of Jerusalem.

1 Nephi 4:5 And it was by night; and I caused that they should hide themselves without the walls. And after they had hid themselves, I, Nephi, crept into the city and went forth towards the house of Laban.

1 Nephi 4:14 And now, when I, Nephi, had heard these words, I remembered the words of the Lord which he spake unto me in the wilderness, saying that: Inasmuch as thy seed shall keep my commandments, they shall prosper in the land of promise.

1 Nephi 4:31 And now I, Nephi, being a man large in stature, and also having received much strength of the Lord, therefore I did seize upon the servant of Laban, and held him, that he should not flee.

1 Nephi 6:1 AND now I, Nephi, do not give the genealogy of my fathers in this part of my record; neither at any time shall I give it after upon these plates which I am writing; for it is given in the record which has been kept by my father; wherefore, I do not write it in this work.

1 Nephi 7:2 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded him that I, Nephi, and my brethren, should again return unto the land of Jerusalem, and bring down Ishmael and his family into the wilderness.

1 Nephi 7:3 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did again, with my brethren, go forth into the wilderness to go up to Jerusalem.

1 Nephi 7:8 And now I, Nephi, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, therefore I spake unto them, saying, yea, even unto Laman and unto Lemuel: Behold ye are mine elder brethren, and how is it that ye are so hard in your hearts, and so blind in your minds, that ye have need that I, your younger brother, should speak unto you, yea, and set an example for you?

1 Nephi 7:16 And it came to pass that when I, Nephi, had spoken these words unto my brethren, they were angry with me. And it came to pass that they did lay their hands upon me, for behold, they were exceedingly wroth, and they did bind me with cords, for they sought to take away my life, that they might leave me in the wilderness to be devoured by wild beasts.

1 Nephi 8:29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father.

1 Nephi 10:1 AND now I, Nephi, proceed to give an account upon these plates of my proceedings, and my reign and ministry; wherefore, to proceed with mine account, I must speak somewhat of the things of my father, and also of my brethren.

1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God–and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come–I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

1 Nephi 11:33 And I, Nephi, saw that he was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world.

1 Nephi 12:12 And I, Nephi, also saw many of the fourth generation who passed away in righteousness.

1 Nephi 13:16 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was with them.

1 Nephi 13:19 And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations.

1 Nephi 13:20 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried forth among them.

1 Nephi 13:23 And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles.

1 Nephi 14:14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.

1 Nephi 14:27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was John, according to the word of the angel.

1 Nephi 14:28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.

1 Nephi 15:1 AND it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had been carried away in the spirit, and seen all these things, I returned to the tent of my father.

1 Nephi 15:4 And now I, Nephi, was grieved because of the hardness of their hearts, and also, because of the things which I had seen, and knew they must unavoidably come to pass because of the great wickedness of the children of men.

1 Nephi 15:19 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, spake much unto them concerning these things; yea, I spake unto them concerning the restoration of the Jews in the latter days.

1 Nephi 15:25 Wherefore, I, Nephi, did exhort them to give heed unto the word of the Lord; yea, I did exhort them with all the energies of my soul, and with all the faculty which I possessed, that they would give heed to the word of God and remember to keep his commandments always in all things.

1 Nephi 16:1 AND now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.

1 Nephi 16:4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.

1 Nephi 16:7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the daughters of Ishmael to wife; and also, my brethren took of the daughters of Ishmael to wife; and also Zoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.

1 Nephi 16:8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the commandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.

1 Nephi 16:18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine steel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.

1 Nephi 16:21 Now it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their springs, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.

1 Nephi 16:22 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto complaining against the Lord their God.

1 Nephi 16:23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my father: Whither shall I go to obtain food?

1 Nephi 16:28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the faith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.

1 Nephi 16:30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the directions which were given upon the ball.

1 Nephi 17:7 And it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had been in the land of Bountiful for the space of many days, the voice of the Lord came unto me, saying: Arise, and get thee into the mountain. And it came to pass that I arose and went up into the mountain, and cried unto the Lord.

1 Nephi 17:11 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make a bellows wherewith to blow the fire, of the skins of beasts; and after I had made a bellows, that I might have wherewith to blow the fire, I did smite two stones together that I might make fire.

1 Nephi 17:14 Yea, and the Lord said also that: After ye have arrived in the promised land, ye shall know that I, the Lord, am God; and that I, the Lord, did deliver you from destruction; yea, that I did bring you out of the land of Jerusalem.

1 Nephi 17:15
Wherefore, I, Nephi, did strive to keep the commandments of the Lord, and I did exhort my brethren to faithfulness and diligence.

1 Nephi 17:19 And now it came to pass that I, Nephi, was exceedingly sorrowful because of the hardness of their hearts; and now when they saw that I began to be sorrowful they were glad in their hearts, insomuch that they did rejoice over me, saying: We knew that ye could not construct a ship, for we knew that ye were lacking in judgment; wherefore, thou canst not accomplish so great a work.

1 Nephi 17:23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, spake unto them, saying: Do ye believe that our fathers, who were the children of Israel, would have been led away out of the hands of the Egyptians if they had not hearkened unto the words of the Lord?

1 Nephi 17:49 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto them that they should murmur no more against their father; neither should they withhold their labor from me, for God had commanded me that I should build a ship.

1 Nephi 17:52 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said many things unto my brethren, insomuch that they were confounded and could not contend against me; neither durst they lay their hands upon me nor touch me with their fingers, even for the space of many days. Now they durst not do this lest they should wither before me, so powerful was the Spirit of God; and thus it had wrought upon them.

1 Nephi 18:2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.

51. 1 Nephi 18:3 And I, Nephi, did go into the mount oft, and I did pray oft unto the Lord; wherefore the Lord showed unto me great things.

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Jacob 1:1 For behold, it came to pass that fifty and five years had passed away from the time that Lehi left Jerusalem; wherefore, Nephi gave me, Jacob, a commandment concerning the small plates, upon which these things are engraven.

2 And he gave me, Jacob, a commandment that I should write upon these plates a few of the things which I considered to be most precious; that I should not touch, save it were lightly, concerning the history of this people which are called the people of Nephi.

8 Wherefore, we would to God that we could persuade all men not to rebel against God, to provoke him to anger, but that all men would believe in Christ, and view his death, and suffer his cross and bear the shame of the world; wherefore, I, Jacob, take it upon me to fulfil the commandment of my brother Nephi.

14 But I, Jacob, shall not hereafter distinguish them by these names, but I shall call them Lamanites that seek to destroy the people of Nephi, and those who are friendly to Nephi I shall call Nephites, or the people of Nephi, according to the reigns of the kings.

17 Wherefore I, Jacob, gave unto them these words as I taught them in the temple, having first obtained mine errand from the Lord.

18 For I, Jacob, and my brother Joseph had been consecrated priests and teachers of this people, by the hand of Nephi.

Jacob 2:2 Now, my beloved brethren, I, Jacob, according to the responsibility which I am under to God, to magnify mine office with soberness, and that I might rid my garments of your sins, I come up into the temple this day that I might declare unto you the word of God.

Jacob 3:1 But behold, I, Jacob, would speak unto you that are pure in heart. Look unto God with firmness of mind, and pray unto him with exceeding faith, and he will console you in your afflictions, and he will plead your cause, and send down justice upon those who seek your destruction.

12 And now I, Jacob, spake many more things unto the people of Nephi, warning them against fornication and lasciviousness, and every kind of sin, telling them the awful consequences of them.

Jacob 4:1 Now behold, it came to pass that I, Jacob, having ministered much unto my people in word, (and I cannot write but a little of my words, because of the difficulty of engraving our words upon plates) and we know that the things which we write upon plates must remain;

15 And now I, Jacob, am led on by the Spirit unto prophesying; for I perceive by the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that by the stumbling of the Jews they will reject the stone upon which they might build and have safe foundation.

Jacob 7:3 And he labored diligently that he might lead away the hearts of the people, insomuch that he did lead away many hearts; and he knowing that I, Jacob, had faith in Christ who should come, he sought much opportunity that he might come unto me.

7 And ye have led away much of this people that they pervert the right way of God, and keep not the law of Moses which is the right way; and convert the law of Moses into the worship of a being which ye say shall come many hundred years hence. And now behold, I, Sherem, declare unto you that this is blasphemy; for no man knoweth of such things; for he cannot tell of things to come. And after this manner did Sherem contend against me.

15 And it came to pass that when I, Jacob, had spoken these words, the power of the Lord came upon him, insomuch that he fell to the earth. And it came to pass that he was nourished for the space of many days.

22 Now, this thing was pleasing unto me, Jacob, for I had requested it of my Father who was in heaven; for he had heard my cry and answered my prayer.

26 And it came to pass that I, Jacob, began to be old; and the record of this people being kept on the other plates of Nephi, wherefore, I conclude this record, declaring that I have written according to the best of my knowledge, by saying that the time passed away with us, and also our lives passed away like as it were unto us a dream, we being a lonesome and a solemn people, wanderers, cast out from Jerusalem, born in tribulation, in a wilderness, and hated of our brethren, which caused wars and contentions; wherefore, we did mourn out our days.

27 And I, Jacob, saw that I must soon go down to my grave; wherefore, I said unto my son Enos: Take these plates. And I told him the things which my brother Nephi had commanded me, and he promised obedience unto the commands. And I make an end of my writing upon these plates, which writing has been small; and to the reader I bid farewell, hoping that many of my brethren may read my words. Brethren, adieu.

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Enos 1:1 Behold, it came to pass that I, Enos, knowing my father that he was a just man—for he taught me in his language, and also in the nurture and admonition of the Lord—and blessed be the name of my God for it—

5 And there came a voice unto me, saying: Enos, thy sins are forgiven thee, and thou shalt be blessed.

6 And I, Enos, knew that God could not lie; wherefore, my guilt was swept away.

11 And after I, Enos, had heard these words, my faith began to be unshaken in the Lord; and I prayed unto him with many long strugglings for my brethren, the Lamanites.

17 And I, Enos, knew it would be according to the covenant which he had made; wherefore my soul did rest.

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Jarom 1:1 Now behold, I, Jarom, write a few words according to the commandment of my father, Enos, that our genealogy may be kept.

14 And I, Jarom, do not write more, for the plates are small. But behold, my brethren, ye can go to the other plates of Nephi; for behold, upon them the records of our wars are engraven, according to the writings of the kings, or those which they caused to be written.

Omni 1:12 Behold, I am Amaleki, the son of Abinadom. Behold, I will speak unto you somewhat concerning Mosiah, who was made king over the land of Zarahemla; for behold, he being warned of the Lord that he should flee out of the land of Nephi, and as many as would hearken unto the voice of the Lord should also depart out of the land with him, into the wilderness—

23 Behold, I, Amaleki, was born in the days of Mosiah; and I have lived to see his death; and Benjamin, his son, reigneth in his stead.

30 And I, Amaleki, had a brother, who also went with them; and I have not since known concerning them. And I am about to lie down in my grave; and these plates are full. And I make an end of my speaking.

Words of Mormon 1:1 And now I, Mormon, being about to deliver up the record which I have been making into the hands of my son Moroni, behold I have witnessed almost all the destruction of my people, the Nephites.

9 And now I, Mormon, proceed to finish out my record, which I take from the plates of Nephi; and I make it according to the knowledge and the understanding which God has given me.

11 And they were handed down from king Benjamin, from generation to generation until they have fallen into my hands. And I, Mormon, pray to God that they may be preserved from this time henceforth. And I know that they will be preserved; for there are great things written upon them, out of which my people and their brethren shall be judged at the great and last day, according to the word of God which is written.

Ether 5:1, 6:1 I, Moroni…

2012, January 12

“Book of Mormon/ Pearl of Great Price/ Doctrine and Covenants/ Holy Bible: ‘Stand in Holy Places'” by grego

Book of Mormon/ Pearl of Great Price/ Doctrine and Covenants/ Holy Bible: “Stand in Holy Places”

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I was reading this in the Pearl of Great Price:

Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:12 When you, therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, then you shall stand in the holy place; whoso readeth let him understand.

–when it occurred to me that the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in this abomination of desolation, and in fact that people who had run into the temple to be saved were massacred inside; so it seems that “holy place” =/= temple, here.

But in many General Authority talks, that relationship is shown. Here are some verses that support that interpretation:

Doctrine and Covenants 96:2 Therefore, let my servant Newel K. Whitney take charge of the place which is named among you, upon which I design to build mine holy house.

Doctrine and Covenants 124:39 Therefore, verily I say unto you, that your anointings, and your washings, and your baptisms for the dead, and your solemn semblies, and your memorials for your sacrifices by the sons of Levi, and for your oracles in your most holy places wherein you receive conversations, and your statutes and judgments, for the beginning of the revelations and foundation of Zion, and for the glory, honor, and endowment of all her municipals, are ordained by the ordinance of my holy house, which my people are always commanded to build unto my holy name.

Exodus contains many references to the tabernacle/ temple as the holy place. Paul speaks about this in Hebrews 9 (and also says that heaven is a holy place).

Is there more to this?

Here are some similar verses, that might be interpreted that way, or perhaps in other ways I’ll discuss afterward:
Doctrine and Covenants 45:32 But my disciples shall stand in holy places, and shall not be moved; but among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die.

Doctrine and Covenants 87:8 Wherefore, stand ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh quickly, saith the Lord. Amen.

I think “holy place” is where we are told to be by the Holy Ghost and our priesthood leaders (who hopefully pass it along, NOT a la Haun’s Mill…). So, while it could mean the temple, and often does mean it currently, it seems to me that there really is more to the meaning. To stand in holy places to me connects in this sense with the talk given by President Uchtdorf.

Here are some examples:
Doctrine and Covenants 60:7 And in this place let them lift up their voice and declare my word with loud voices, without wrath or doubting, lifting up holy hands upon them. For I am able to make you holy, and your sins are forgiven you.

Doctrine and Covenants 101:22 Behold, it is my will, that all they who call on my name, and worship me according to mine everlasting gospel, should gather together, and stand in holy places;

Doctrine and Covenants 101:64 That the work of the gathering together of my saints may continue, that I may build them up unto my name upon holy places; for the time of harvest is come, and my word must needs be fulfilled.

A holy place could be anywhere that you worship God (in a literal sense or by your actions) with the Holy Ghost:
Alma 34:38 That ye contend no more against the Holy Ghost, but that ye receive it, and take upon you the name of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and worship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.

In fact, it could be anywhere you give place to the Holy Ghost in your heart:
Moroni 7:32 And by so doing, the Lord God prepareth the way that the residue of men may have faith in Christ, that the Holy Ghost may have place in their hearts, according to the power thereof; and after this manner bringeth to pass the Father, the covenants which he hath made unto the children of men.

New Jerusalem:
Ether 13:3 And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.

It could also mean Zion, the holy place prepared for the Saints that will avoid the destructions sent forth across the world:
Moses 7:62 And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.

Doctrine and Covenants 76:66 These are they who are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly place, the holiest of all.

Well, wherever it might be, it surely isn’t here!:
Alma 31:21 Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand.

I believe that a holy place is a place where demons and destroying angels won’/ can’t go. If you are there, you are under the Lord’s protection. It reminds me of Nephi’s “robe of righteousness”:
2 Nephi 4:33 O Lord, wilt thou encircle me around in the robe of thy righteousness! O Lord, wilt thou make a way for mine escape before mine enemies!…

2012, January 11

“Book of Mormon: Nephi’s Interesting Language Use of the Possessives ‘Our’ and ‘My’ in 1 Nephi” by grego

Book of Mormon: Nephi’s Interesting Language Use of the Possessives ‘Our’ and ‘My’ in 1 Nephi

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(c)2012

Ok, here’s some really interesting language use. There’s a lot of switching back and forth between “our” and “my”, when “our” would be used most of the time in (American) English. Also, Nephi adds the names of his father and mother—he has already given his father’s name many times, and he finishes the short account with his mother’s name at the beginning and end.

1 Nephi 5:1 And it came to pass that after we had come down into the wilderness unto *our father*, behold, he was filled with joy, and also *my mother*, *Sariah*, was exceedingly glad, for she truly had mourned because of us.

2 For she had supposed that we had perished in the wilderness; and she also had complained against *my father*, telling him that he was a visionary man; saying: Behold thou hast led us forth from the land of *our inheritance*, and *my sons* are no more, and *we* perish in the wilderness.

3 And after this manner of language had *my mother* complained against *my father*.

4 And it had come to pass that *my father* spake unto her, saying: I know that I am a visionary man; for if I had not seen the things of God in a vision I should not have known the goodness of God, but had tarried at Jerusalem, and had perished with my brethren.

5 But behold, *I* have obtained a land of promise, in the which things I do rejoice; yea, and I know that the Lord will deliver *my sons* out of the hands of Laban, and bring them down again unto *us* in the wilderness.

6 And after this manner of language did *my father*, *Lehi*, comfort *my mother*, *Sariah*, concerning us, while we journeyed in the wilderness up to the land of Jerusalem, to obtain the record of the Jews.

7 And when *we* had returned to the tent of *my father*, behold their joy was full, and *my mother* was comforted.

8 And she spake, saying: Now I know of a surety that the Lord hath commanded my husband to flee into the wilderness; yea, and I also know of a surety that the Lord hath protected *my sons*, and delivered them out of the hands of Laban, and given them power whereby they could accomplish the thing which the Lord hath commanded them. And after this manner of language did she speak.

2012, January 4

“Holy Bible | Book of Mormon: Why Having a King Would Be the Death of America” by grego

Holy Bible | Book of Mormon: Why Having a King Would Be the Death of America

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(c)2012

It’s without a doubt that some people would love to put a king in charge of America. As one man said, “If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier” and “[The Constitution]’s just a g.d.mned piece of paper!” I believe that an attempt will be made to do this in the future.

I’d like to remind people now, before it happens, about a few things concerning kings, from the Bible:

1 Samuel 8:5 And said unto him…now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
6 ¶But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.
7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
10 ¶And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

1 Samuel 10:18 And said unto the children of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all kingdoms, and of them that oppressed you:
19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us…

1 Samuel 12:11 And the Lord sent [others] and Samuel, and delivered you out of the hand of your enemies on every side, and ye dwelled safe.
12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the Lord your God was your king…
17 Is it not wheat harvest to day? I will call unto the Lord, and he shall send thunder and rain; that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the Lord, in asking you a king.

From the Book of Mormon, King Mosiah teaches his people as they transform from a kingship to judges (see my other article for more depth and context of this):

Mosiah 29:5 Behold, O ye my people, or my brethren, for I esteem you as such, I desire that ye should consider the cause which ye are called to consider—for ye are desirous to have a king.
6 Now I declare unto you that he to whom the kingdom doth rightly belong has declined, and will not take upon him the kingdom.
7 And now if there should be another appointed in his stead, behold I fear there would rise contentions among you. And who knoweth but what my son, to whom the kingdom doth belong, should turn to be angry and draw away a part of this people after him, which would cause wars and contentions among you, which would be the cause of shedding much blood and perverting the way of the Lord, yea, and destroy the souls of many people.
8 Now I say unto you let us be wise and consider these things, for we have no right to destroy my son, neither should we have any right to destroy another if he should be appointed in his stead.
9 And if my son should turn again to his pride and vain things he would recall the things which he had said, and claim his right to the kingdom, which would cause him and also this people to commit much sin.
10 And now let us be wise and look forward to these things, and do that which will make for the peace of this people.
11 Therefore I will be your king the remainder of my days; nevertheless, let us appoint judges, to judge this people according to our law; and we will newly arrange the affairs of this people, for we will appoint wise men to be judges, that will judge this people according to the commandments of God.
12 Now it is better that a man should be judged of God than of man, for the judgments of God are always just, but the judgments of man are not always just.
13 Therefore, if it were possible that you could have just men to be your kings, who would establish the laws of God, and judge this people according to his commandments, yea, if ye could have men for your kings who would do even as my father Benjamin did for this people—I say unto you, if this could always be the case then it would be expedient that ye should always have kings to rule over you.
14 And even I myself have labored with all the power and faculties which I have possessed, to teach you the commandments of God, and to establish peace throughout the land, that there should be no wars nor contentions, no stealing, nor plundering, nor murdering, nor any manner of iniquity;
15 And whosoever has committed iniquity, him have I punished according to the crime which he has committed, according to the law which has been given to us by our fathers.
16 Now I say unto you, that because all men are not just it is not expedient that ye should have a king or kings to rule over you.
17 For behold, how much iniquity doth one wicked king cause to be committed, yea, and what great destruction!
18 Yea, remember king Noah, his wickedness and his abominations, and also the wickedness and abominations of his people. Behold what great destruction did come upon them; and also because of their iniquities they were brought into bondage.
19 And were it not for the interposition of their all-wise Creator, and this because of their sincere repentance, they must unavoidably remain in bondage until now.
20 But behold, he did deliver them because they did humble themselves before him; and because they cried mightily unto him he did deliver them out of bondage; and thus doth the Lord work with his power in all cases among the children of men, extending the arm of mercy towards them that put their trust in him.
21 And behold, now I say unto you, ye cannot dethrone an iniquitous king save it be through much contention, and the shedding of much blood.
22 For behold, he has his friends in iniquity, and he keepeth his guards about him; and he teareth up the laws of those who have reigned in righteousness before him; and he trampleth under his feet the commandments of God;
23 And he enacteth laws, and sendeth them forth among his people, yea, laws after the manner of his own wickedness; and whosoever doth not obey his laws he causeth to be destroyed; and whosoever doth rebel against him he will send his armies against them to war, and if he can he will destroy them; and thus an unrighteous king doth pervert the ways of all righteousness.
24 And now behold I say unto you, it is not expedient that such abominations should come upon you.

King Mosiah then comes up with another plan, that at least has some balance of power in it; it sounds like a democracy, but there were no doubt rights and laws:
25 Therefore, choose you by the voice of this people, judges, that ye may be judged according to the laws which have been given you by our fathers, which are correct, and which were given them by the hand of the Lord.
26 Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law—to do your business by the voice of the people.
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.
28 And now if ye have judges, and they do not judge you according to the law which has been given, ye can cause that they may be judged of a higher judge.
29 If your higher judges do not judge righteous judgments, ye shall cause that a small number of your lower judges should be gathered together, and they shall judge your higher judges, according to the voice of the people.
30 And I command you to do these things in the fear of the Lord; and I command you to do these things, and that ye have no king; that if these people commit sins and iniquities they shall be answered upon their own heads.
31 For behold I say unto you, the sins of many people have been caused by the iniquities of their kings; therefore their iniquities are answered upon the heads of their kings.
32 And now I desire that this inequality should be no more in this land, especially among this my people; but I desire that this land be a land of liberty, and every man may enjoy his rights and privileges alike, so long as the Lord sees fit that we may live and inherit the land, yea, even as long as any of our posterity remains upon the face of the land.
33 And many more things did king Mosiah write unto them, unfolding unto them all the trials and troubles of a righteous king, yea, all the travails of soul for their people, and also all the murmurings of the people to their king; and he explained it all unto them.
34 And he told them that these things ought not to be; but that the burden should come upon all the people, that every man might bear his part.
35 And he also unfolded unto them all the disadvantages they labored under, by having an unrighteous king to rule over them;
36 Yea, all his iniquities and abominations, and all the wars, and contentions, and bloodshed, and the stealing, and the plundering, and the committing of whoredoms, and all manner of iniquities which cannot be enumerated—telling them that these things ought not to be, that they were expressly repugnant to the commandments of God.

The people accept his thoughts and will:
37 And now it came to pass, after king Mosiah had sent these things forth among the people they were convinced of the truth of his words.
38 Therefore they relinquished their desires for a king, and became exceedingly anxious that every man should have an equal chance throughout all the land; yea, and every man expressed a willingness to answer for his own sins.
39 Therefore, it came to pass that they assembled themselves together in bodies throughout the land, to cast in their voices concerning who should be their judges, to judge them according to the law which had been given them; and they were exceedingly rejoiced because of the liberty which had been granted unto them.

Interestingly, there is an important point in the last part: people want a king because liberty requires hard work, time, and responsibility; and its fruits are fairness!

There was one other time in USA history when a US president acted as a dictator, and it resulted in the WORST time in the history of the country. The Constitution was disregarded, the courts were ignored, rights expressly set forth in the Bill of Rights were violently violated; people were dragged off in the middle of the night never to be seen again, and more…

(By the way, the president was Abraham Lincoln, the time was the War of Secession (the “Civil War”), and it was pretty much de facto martial law (see more about this and links here: https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/critique-of-abraham-lincoln-or-why-abraham-lincoln-might-still-be-in-hell-by-grego/ , especially the long list about halfway down).)

IF A KING RULES OVER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the future, IT WILL BE WORSE THIS TIME than it was with Lincoln. Perhaps comparable to or even much worse than the conditions right before and during the Revolutionary War. There will be no rights, only privileges extended to his friends; no justice, only judgments based on his will (and the will of those that control him).

Lastly, there is one great and final reason why America CANNOT have a king: America is a chosen land, and always has been.
2 Nephi 10:11 And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles.
12 And I will fortify this land against all other nations.
13 And he that fighteth against Zion shall perish, saith God.
14 For he that raiseth up a king against me shall perish, for I, the Lord, the king of heaven, will be their king, and I will be a light unto them forever, that hear my words.
15 Wherefore, for this cause, that my covenants may be fulfilled which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh, I must needs destroy the secret works of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations.

To want a king is to be like Israel of old—it’s truly to reject the true king of America, Jesus Christ. If that day comes, it will not go well for America and those that try to raise up a king! And who that is, is also clear: those that work “secret works of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations”.

2012, January 2

Book of Mormon: Resource Page for Nephi-Laban-Brass Plates; Nephi; Laman and Lemuel; Lehi

Book of Mormon: Resource Page for Nephi-Laban-Brass Plates; Nephi; Laman and Lemuel; Lehi

grego
(c)2012

Here’s a convenient list of site articles mostly about 1 Nephi:

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Getting the Brass Plates from Laban:

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/book-of-mormon-lessons-from-the-three-episodes-of-getting-the-brass-plates-nephi-vs-moses-nephi-and-laban-vs-david-and-goliath-laman-and-lemuel-vs-saul-zoram-vs-jonathan-sariah-vs-miriam/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/book-of-mormon-the-symbolism-in-nephi-meeting-labans-sword-more-about-the-brass-plates-why-did-nephi-kill-laban-reasons-for-the-nephites-to-have-the-brass-plates-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/book-of-mormon-the-holy-ghost-persuades-nephi-to-slay-laban-1-nephi-3-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/book-of-mormon-even-more-about-getting-the-brass-plates-1-nephi-3-4-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/were-lehis-house-and-land-of-inheritance-separate/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/book-of-mormon-the-unseen-lord-is-above-all-to-nephi-even-present-angels-1-nephi-3-1-nephi-4-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/book-of-mormon-nephis-early-spirituality-by-grego/

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More about Nephi:

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/book-of-mormon-nephis-odd-language-when-speaking-to-his-brothers-my-father-instead-of-our-father-1-nephi-318-1-nephi-714-1-nephi-1744-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/book-of-mormon-the-tent-of-my-father-as-figurative-speech-meaning-destination-in-1-nephi-3-1-nephi-7-and-its-discontinuation-of-use-afterward-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/persuasion-in-the-book-of-mormon-and-other-things/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/what-was-up-with-sam/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/one-more-thing-about-sam-no-samites/

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Laman and Lemuel:

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/book-of-mormon-laman-and-lemuel-foolish-imaginations-of-the-heart-1-nephi-211-1-nephi-1720-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/book-of-mormon-the-real-reason-the-lehites-left-jerusalem/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2010/02/06/book-of-mormon-contrasting-results-of-jacobs-versus-laman-and-lemuels-heavenly-witnesses-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/laman-lemuel-and-responsibility-or-lack-thereof/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/examples-of-irony-parallelism-and-imagery-in-the-book-of-mormon-part-1-version-2-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/book-of-mormon-lessons-from-1-nephi-18-binding-the-prophets-by-grego/

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Lehi:

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/book-of-mormon-lehis-faith-among-trials-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/book-of-mormon-the-prayers-of-the-righteous-save-the-wicked-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/book-of-mormon-lehi-prophets-dont-hoard-to-prosper-but-share-to-help-1-nephi-1-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/book-of-mormon-lehi-faithfulness-changes-the-path-to-death-into-the-path-to-safety-1-nephi-21-2-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/father-and-son-revelation-and-revelation/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/my-critique-of-did-father-lehi-have-daughters-who-married-the-sons-of-ishmael/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/seed-fruit-seed-fruit-and-seed/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/lds-mormon-book-of-mormon-origins-of-lehis-600-year-prophecy-of-the-coming-of-the-messiah-savior-jesus-christ-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/book-of-mormon-1-nephi-514-joseph-being-preserved-and-preserving-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/who-saw-jesus-in-the-book-of-mormon-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/book-of-mormon-what-is-the-iron-rod-to-you-how-do-you-use-it-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/a-critique-of-s-kent-browns-book-of-mormon-article-a-case-for-lehis-bondage-in-arabia-by-grego/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/book-of-mormon-a-fallen-angel-becomes-the-devil-lehis-supposition-jacobs-doctrine/

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/book-of-mormon-others-in-the-land-the-ox-argument-by-grego/

“Book of Mormon: Nephi’s “Utter” from Hebrew–Not English (1 Nephi 2:14)” by grego

Book of Mormon: Nephi’s “Utter” from Hebrew, Not English (1 Nephi 2:14)

grego
(c)2012

I found the use of “utter” in 1 Nephi 2:14 to be interesting:

1 Nephi 2:14 And it came to pass that my father did speak unto them in the valley of Lemuel, with power, being filled with the Spirit, until their frames did shake before him. And he did confound them, that they durst not utter against him; wherefore, they did as he commanded them.

Here’s the 1828 Webster’s definition:
UT’TER, v.t.
1. To speak; to pronounce; to express; as, to utter words; to utter sounds.
2. To disclose; to discover; to divulge; to publish. He never utters a syllable of what I suppose to be intended as a secret.
3. To sell; to vend; as, to utter wares. [This is obsolete, unless in the law style.]
4. To put or send into circulation; to put off, as currency, or cause to pass in commerce; as, to utter coin or notes. A man utters a false note, who gives it in payment, knowing it to be false.

None of those definitions fit…

Are these definitions better?:

From the Hebrew “hagah” (from the Hebrew lexicon at http://www.searchgodsword.org):
to moan, growl, utter, muse, mutter, meditate, devise, plot, speak
1. (Qal)
1. to roar, growl, groan
2. to utter, speak
3. to meditate, devise, muse, imagine
2. (Poal) to utter
3. (Hiphil) to mutter

KJV (25) – imagine, 2; meditate, 6; mourn, 4; mutter, 2; roaring, 1; sore, 1; speak, 4; study, 2; talk, 1; utter, 2;
NAS (24) – declare, 1; devise, 2; devising, 1; growls, 1; make a sound, 1; meditate, 5; meditates, 1; moan, 3; moan sadly, 1; mutter, 2; mutters, 1; ponders, 1; utter, 2; uttering, 1; utters, 1;

From Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon) (http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/1897.html):
“hagal” A primitive root (compare H1901); to murmur (in pleasure or anger); by implication to ponder:—imagine, meditate, mourn, mutter, roar, X sore, speak, study, talk, utter.

From Strong’s (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
* #1897.
* הָגָה
* hagah (211c); a prim. root; to moan, growl, utter, speak, muse:—
* NASB – declare(1), devise(2), devising(1), growls(1), make a sound(1), meditate(5), meditates(1), moan(3), moan sadly(1), mutter(2), mutters(1), ponders(1), utter(2), uttering(1), utters(1).

Now, what about “confound”? :)

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