Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

2009, December 31

“Book of Mormon: A Key to Victory in 3 Nephi 3?” by grego

Book of Mormon: A Key to Victory in 3 Nephi 3?

(c) 2009

Notwithstanding the Nephites wanted to destroy the robbers (3 Nephi 3:20) and their preparations to defend themselves and slay their enemies, I think there is a key here to help us understand the depth of their repentance, the difference between what they desired to do and what the Gadianton robbers wanted to do to them, and assurance that all would be ok for the Nephites: “and they were exceedingly sorrowful because of their enemies” (3 Nephi 3:26).

3 Nephi 3:20 Now the people said unto Gidgiddoni: Pray unto the Lord, and let us go up upon the mountains and into the wilderness, that we may fall upon the robbers and destroy them in their own lands.
21 But Gidgiddoni saith unto them: The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together, and we will not go against them, but we will wait till they shall come against us; therefore as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them into our hands.
22 And it came to pass in the *seventeenth year, in the latter end of the year, the proclamation of Lachoneus had gone forth throughout all the face of the land, and they had taken their horses, and their chariots, and their cattle, and all their flocks, and their herds, and their grain, and all their substance, and did march forth by thousands and by tens of thousands, until they had all gone forth to the place which had been appointed that they should gather themselves together, to defend themselves against their enemies.
23 And the land which was appointed was the land of Zarahemla, and the land which was between the land Zarahemla and the land Bountiful, yea, to the line which was between the land Bountiful and the land Desolation.
24 And there were a great many thousand people who were called Nephites, who did gather themselves together in this land. Now Lachoneus did cause that they should gather themselves together in the land southward, because of the great curse which was upon the land northward.
25 And they did fortify themselves against their enemies; and they did dwell in one land, and in one body, and they did fear the words which had been spoken by Lachoneus, insomuch that they did repent of all their sins; and they did put up their prayers unto the Lord their God, that he would deliver them in the time that their enemies should come down against them to battle.
26 And they were exceedingly sorrowful because of their enemies. And Gidgiddoni did cause that they should make weapons of war of every kind, and they should be strong with armor, and with shields, and with bucklers, after the manner of his instruction.

2009, December 22

“Book of Mormon: What to Do with the Robbers?” by grego

Book of Mormon: What to Do with the Robbers?

(c) 2009

The Book of Mormon says:
3 Nephi 7:3 And they granted unto those robbers who had entered into a covenant to keep the peace of the land, who were desirous to remain Lamanites, lands, according to their numbers, that they might have, with their labors, wherewith to subsist upon; and thus they did establish peace in all the land.

The robbers had given up in their war and were captives; some repented of all their sins, but others, like these, didn’t want to. Still, they were granted (was that “given” or “loaned”?) land so that they could live by their labors; essentially, they were granted a place to live and work to do, but no further government handouts.

No slaves; no prison. Result? Peace.

There is nothing later in the record that denotes any type of returning to their robbing or unrighteousness at all; in fact, the next Gadianton robbers are a very different set of people (judges, lawyers, ex-high priests).

Joseph Smith, while running for President of the United States of America, :
“opposed incarceration for all crimes but murder. Instead, miscreants ought to work on the roads or ‘any place where the culprit can be taught more wisdom and more virtue.’ Smith reminded those hardhearts who doubted that criminals might be reformed that ‘Love conquers all.'” Also, “Petition your state legislatures to pardon every convict in their several penitentiaries,” Smith urged, “blessing them as they go, and saying to them in the name of the Lord, go thy way and sin no more!”

If much of the growth of the robbers occurred during the reign of the Gadianton robbers in the judgment seat (Helaman 7-11) and perhaps the government had contributed to their problem, and only the less-convinced and less-opposed and less-wicked robbers surrendered while the harcore ones died fighting or received capital punishment for their unrepentant ways, and thus left out capital punishment even for the robbers?

I imagine it was a little more complicated than that; could some form of this idea work?

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