Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

2008, July 15

Critique of: “The Bible Versus the Book of Mormon”, by Eric Lyons

grego’s Critique of: “The Bible Versus the Book of Mormon by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

“Apologetics Press :: Bible Bullets
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1777
Copyright © 2002 Apologetics Press, Inc. All rights reserved. (for their article)

The article, and my comments:

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“Similar to the insecure person who hangs around the rich and famous for the sole reason of establishing himself, the Book of Mormon has attempted to make a name for itself by “cozying up to” the Bible. The very first line in the “Introduction” to the Mormons’ revered text states: “The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.” Even the Book of Mormon’s subtitle (“Another Testament of Jesus Christ”—emp. added) lends credibility to the Bible. Obviously, the Mormons have attempted to give credence to their scripture by comparing it to the Bible. Furthermore, a crucial element of the Mormon religion found in their Article of Faith #8 says: “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God” (emp. added).”

grego: Cute and all, but no real substance. Um, yeah, LDS believe in the Bible. References to the Book of Mormon being a Bible occurred frequently in the past–by nonmembers. It is scripture and similar to the Bible in many ways, not just esoteric writings or nice teachings or such. So why not call it similar to the Bible?

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“If both the Bible and the Book of Mormon are inspired by God, then reason demands that they must never contradict one another.”

grego: Right, just like the Bible never contradicts itself (cough, cough)… Nevertheless, given and understood correctly, the Bible and the Book of Mormon don’t contradict each other.

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“No book from God’s hand will contain factual mistakes because He does not make mistakes.”

grego: Well, if God wrote it, probably not; but did God write the Bible and the Book of Mormon, or did inspired men?

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“By definition, He is omniscient and perfect in all His ways (cf. Psalm 139:1-6; 1 John 3:20). The truth is, however, they do contradict one another.”

grego: Ok, time for evidence and proof. And please, make the evidence much stronger than the evidence of the Bible contradicting itself, ok?

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“The Book of Mormon contains numerous passages that contradict what the Bible says. The following examples are conspicuous instances of such contradictions.
The Book of Mormon contends that at the tower of Babel, a group of people known as the Jaredites had their separate language (Ether 1:34-35, emp. added). As most Bible students know, however, until God confused the languages at Babel (Genesis 11:7-9), “the whole earth was of one language” (Genesis 11:1, emp. added). It seems Joseph Smith mistakenly thought there were many different languages at Babel and that God confounded them while sparing the language of the Jaredites. The fact is, there was only one language and God confounded the people by creating different languages.”

grego: Why would one emphasize something that doesn’t even exist in the text? Why do so many anti-Mormon apologists still have a hard time with reading comprehension? Where does “separate language”, other than the first langauge, occur in the Book of Mormon record? You can’t find it? Neither can I…

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“Contrary to the Bible prophecy concerning the Lord’s birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), and the fulfillment of that prophecy in Matthew 2:1, the Book of Mormon reads: “And behold, he (Jesus) shall be born of Mary at Jerusalem” (Alma 7:10, parenthetical comment and emp. added). The writer of the Book of Mormon was simply wrong.”

grego: I can’t believe that this *still* comes up. Is it lack of reading comprehension once more, or complete lack of apologetics? Granted, this article was from 2002, but still… A simple search on the internet can find numerous answers. I know that Nibley answered this a long time ago, as did a 1984 Ensign article. At least write a little more about it, as did one or two others…

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“The Bible tells us that at the crucifixion of Jesus, darkness covered the land for three hours (Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44). However, the Book of Mormon states three different times that there was darkness “for the space of three days” (Helaman 14:20,27; 3 Nephi 8:3, emp. added). Of course, this is a big difference.”

grego: Reading comprehension, geography, or critical thinking ability? I’ll go for the latter two here. Does the Book of Mormon say “three days in Jerusalem”? Nope. Is it possible for darkness to last for three hours in Jerusalem, and three days in the Americas, a continent away? Maybe, eh? Not the same place, folks. Were perhaps the causes different? Maybe so, eh?

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“Finally, whereas the Book of Mormon has people wearing the name Christian in about 73 B.C. (Alma 46:13, 15), the Bible clearly reveals that the disciples of Christ “were called Christians first in Antioch” (Acts 11:26, emp. added). This was in approximately A.D. 40, and thus represents a difference of over 100 years. Which account are people to believe? After all, according to Mormons, both books are inspired.”

grego: Once more, geography has some relevance here.

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“The fact that there are numerous disagreements between the Bible and the Book of Mormon does not disparage the Bible in any way. In fact, a Bible believer would expect there to be contradictions between the two, since the Bible never gives any legitimacy to the Book of Mormon, but actually condemns it (cf. Galatians 1:6-9, Revelation 22:18-19, 2 Peter 1:3, and Jude 3).”

grego: “Numerous disagreements”? I’m still waiting for at least one that is worth discussing…
No, the Bible doesn’t condemn the Book of Mormon. Check the scriptures agains, you’ll see clearly.

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“On the other hand, the Book of Mormon easily is exposed as fiction when compared to and contrasted with the Bible, which Mormons claim is “the word of God.””

grego: Waiting…

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“Simply put, if both the Bible and the Book of Mormon were inspired by God, then they never would contradict each other. However, since they do disagree with one another (in a number of places), the Book of Mormon is obviously a fraud, written by con men, not inspired men.”

grego: Two comments. One, still waiting for at least a semi-valid example of a contradiction. Second, what does one make of all the contradictions within the Bible itself?
I’m interested in hearing a reply to this double-standard.

Well, it seems other works under Apologetics Press regarding the Book of Mormon are in a similar vein and have a similar (lack of) scholarship, so I think I ‘m done with that website.


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