Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

2010, September 24

“Holy Bible: Rebekah and Jacob’s Trickery Keeps the Lord’s Word Straight” by grego

“Holy Bible: Rebekah and Jacob’s Trickery Keeps the Lord’s Word Straight”


There’s a story in the Bible that just doesn’t seem right. It’s the story of Jacob receiving Isaac’s blessing. I want to share a little that might shed some light on what I believe really happened.

(I have put the pertinent scriptures at the end of this article, for easy reference.)

1. Isaac is not Abraham’s first son; but, he is the birthright son. His mother (Sarah) chases off the first son, Ishmael. Isaac should understand so much more than he seems to…
2. Isaac has heavenly intervention to find his wife, due to Abraham’s desire to fulfill the covenant and his servant’s faithfulness. Once more, he should understand so much more than he seems to…
3. Rebekah has a revelation about her two sons; particularly, that Esau would serve Jacob. It is possible Rebekah never tells Isaac.
4. Jacob’s hand on Esau’s heel is a prophetic sign to Rebekah.
5. Jacob loves Esau because of his cooking (and likely his “manliness”).
6. Esau sells his birthright to Jacob. It is possible that neither tell Isaac before the blessing, though it is much more likely that Jacob tells Rebekah.
7. Against his parents’ wishes, Esau marries two women outside the covenant.
8. Rebekah overhears Isaac talking to Esau, wishing to bless him.
9. Isaac does not tell anyone else, nor offer to bless Jacob.
10. Rebekah commands Jacob to do as she tells him.
11. Rebekah, by foreknowledge, prepares all things for Jacob to pass all the tests that Isaac has.
12. Truthfully, Jacob tells Isaac that the reason he got the venison so quickly was because “the Lord thy God brought it to me”.
13. Isaac blesses Jacob.
14. When Isaac discovers that it was Jacob, he realizes that the blessing was to be given to Jacob.
15. Esau blames Jacob for Esau’s own action of selling the birthright.
16. Esau gets a blessing; a good one; just not the great one Jacob gets.
17. Notwithstanding the blessing Isaac gave Jacob that he was to be the top son, Esau plans to slay him. This shows the contempt/ utter disregard that Esau has not only for his brother, but for the priesthood and the covenant.
18. Esau’s plans are overheard, and Rebekah tells Jacob to escape, and hopes he will find a wife; Esau’s wives have been a pain in the tail to her.
19. Esau, still clueless after years and years, marries again, this time to the non-covenant Ishmael’s daughter.
20. Isaac blesses Jacob and sends him off.

My take on it all:
Isaac wasn’t really in touch with all that was going on, including: regarding his sons and the covenants that his father Abraham had made with God, his wife’s thoughts, his son’s relationships with God, the meaning of birthright and blessings, etc.
Isaac’s personal bias got in the way of doing God’s work the way it was to be done. Rebekah understood, and made sure that God’s work was done the proper way.

This is similar to Moses’ wife Zipporah circumcising their son (Exodus 4:24-26). The Joseph Smith Translation of Exodus 4:24-26 reads:
24 And it came to pass, that the Lord appeared unto [Moses] as he was in the way, by the inn. The Lord was angry with Moses, and his hand was about to fall upon him, to kill him; for he had not circumcised his son.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and circumcised her son, and cast the stone at his feet, and said, Surely thou art a bloody husband unto me.
26 And the Lord spared Moses and let him go, because Zipporah, his wife, circumcised the child…

I wonder what the last part of this means?:
Genesis 27:45 Until thy brother’s anger turn away from thee, and he forget that which thou hast done to him: then I will send, and fetch thee from thence: why should I be deprived also of you both in one day?

I don’t think Rebekah is talking about Isaac, but that both Esau and Jacob would die if Esau were to carry out his plan. Why?

Genesis 24:3 …thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:
4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac.
5 And the servant said unto him, Peradventure the woman will not be willing to follow me unto this land: must I needs bring thy son again unto the land from whence thou camest?
6 And Abraham said unto him, Beware thou that thou bring not my son thither again.
7 ¶ The Lord God of heaven, which took me from my father’s house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence.
8 And if the woman will not be willing to follow thee, then thou shalt be clear from this my oath: only bring not my son thither again.

25:5 ¶ And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.
7 And these are the days of the years of Abraham’s life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years.
8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.
9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

19 ¶ And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham’s son: Abraham begat Isaac:
20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padan-aram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
21 And Isaac intreated the Lord for his wife, because she was barren: and the Lord was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the Lord.
23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
24 ¶ And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
27 And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents.
28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob.
29 ¶ And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:
30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.
31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.
32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?
33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.

Genesis 26:34 ¶And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:
35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.

Genesis 27:1 And it came to pass, that when Isaac was old, and his eyes were dim, so that he could not see, he called Esau his eldest son, and said unto him, My son: and he said unto him, Behold, here am I.
2 And he said, Behold now, I am old, I know not the day of my death:
3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;
4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die.
5 And Rebekah heard when Isaac spake to Esau his son. And Esau went to the field to hunt for venison, and to bring it.
6 ¶ And Rebekah spake unto Jacob her son, saying, Behold, I heard thy father speak unto Esau thy brother, saying,
7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the Lord before my death.
8 Now therefore, my son, obey my voice according to that which I command thee.
9 Go now to the flock, and fetch me from thence two good kids of the goats; and I will make them savoury meat for thy father, such as he loveth:
10 And thou shalt bring it to thy father, that he may eat, and that he may bless thee before his death.
11 And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:
12 My father peradventure will feel me, and I shall seem to him as a deceiver; and I shall bring a curse upon me, and not a blessing.
13 And his mother said unto him, Upon me be thy curse, my son: only obey my voice, and go fetch me them.
14 And he went, and fetched, and brought them to his mother: and his mother made savoury meat, such as his father loved.
15 And Rebekah took goodly raiment of her eldest son Esau, which were with her in the house, and put them upon Jacob her younger son:
16 And she put the skins of the kids of the goats upon his hands, and upon the smooth of his neck:
17 And she gave the savoury meat and the bread, which she had prepared, into the hand of her son Jacob.
18 ¶ And he came unto his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I; who art thou, my son?
19 And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn; I have done according as thou badest me: arise, I pray thee, sit and eat of my venison, that thy soul may bless me.
20 And Isaac said unto his son, How is it that thou hast found it so quickly, my son? And he said, Because the Lord thy God brought it to me.
21 And Isaac said unto Jacob, Come near, I pray thee, that I may feel thee, my son, whether thou be my very son Esau or not.
22 And Jacob went near unto Isaac his father; and he felt him, and said, The voice is Jacob’s voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau.
23 And he discerned him not, because his hands were hairy, as his brother Esau’s hands: so he blessed him.
24 And he said, Art thou my very son Esau? And he said, I am.
25 And he said, Bring it near to me, and I will eat of my son’s venison, that my soul may bless thee. And he brought it near to him, and he did eat: and he brought him wine, and he drank.
26 And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
27 And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the Lord hath blessed:
28 Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:
29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.
30 ¶ And it came to pass, as soon as Isaac had made an end of blessing Jacob, and Jacob was yet scarce gone out from the presence of Isaac his father, that Esau his brother came in from his hunting.
31 And he also had made savoury meat, and brought it unto his father, and said unto his father, Let my father arise, and eat of his son’s venison, that thy soul may bless me.
32 And Isaac his father said unto him, Who art thou? And he said, I am thy son, thy firstborn Esau.
33 And Isaac trembled very exceedingly, and said, Who? where is he that hath taken venison, and brought it me, and I have eaten of all before thou camest, and have blessed him? yea, and he shall be blessed.
34 And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, even me also, O my father.
35 And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing.
36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?
37 And Isaac answered and said unto Esau, Behold, I have made him thy lord, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants; and with corn and wine have I sustained him: and what shall I do now unto thee, my son?
38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept.
39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;
40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
41 ¶ And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
42 And these words of Esau her elder son were told to Rebekah: and she sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said unto him, Behold, thy brother Esau, as touching thee, doth comfort himself, purposing to kill thee.
43 Now therefore, my son, obey my voice; and arise, flee thou to Laban my brother to Haran;
44 And tarry with him a few days, until thy brother’s fury turn away;
45 Until thy brother’s anger turn away from thee, and he forget that which thou hast done to him: then I will send, and fetch thee from thence: why should I be deprived also of you both in one day?
46 And Rebekah said to Isaac, I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth: if Jacob take a wife of the daughters of Heth, such as these which are of the daughters of the land, what good shall my life do me?

Genesis 28:1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.
2 Arise, go to Padan-aram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother’s father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother’s brother.
3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham.
5 And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padan-aram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob’s and Esau’s mother.
6 ¶ When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padan-aram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;
7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone to Padan-aram;
8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;
9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham’s son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.

2010, June 30

“Bible: A Few Parallels Between Saul and David” by grego

“Bible: A Few Parallels Between Saul and David”

(c) 2010

—Saul is supposed to be on the field, fighting Goliath. But he is in his tent. David doesn’t fear to face Goliath, and the real problems between Saul and David begin.
—David is supposed to be at Rabbah, but is in Jerusalem, in his palace, in his bed during the afternoon. Uriah is sent for, comes back, but refuses to enter his house and his bed. Uriah goes back to the battle, doesn’t fear to fight in the hottest spot, and David’s real problem begins.

—David wants Saul’s daughter as his wife. Saul tries to kill David by sending him to battle. David escapes death.
—Later, David wants Uriah’s wife as his wife. David tries to kill Uriah by sending him to battle and planning his death in the battle. Uriah doesn’t escape death.

2010, June 16

“Iniquities of Fathers Passed on to Children?” by grego

Iniquities of Fathers Passed on to Children?

(c) 2010

Doing energy work healing, I was wondering about problems that we seem to inherit from our ancestors. For example, my maternal grandfather was bald, and my young brother is balding.

In the Book of Mormon, we read:
Mosiah 13:13 And again: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generations of them that hate me;
14 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

In the Bible we read:
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Numbers 14:18 The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the Lord of hosts, is his name,

Yet, there is also this verses:
Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

So, are these verses saying that while each person is responsible for their own sins, the results of sins pass down three to four generations?

Is there a need for us to become clean not only from ourselves and our sins, but from our ancestors, too? But aren’t we clean from those sins/ curses through the Atonement?

But similarly do *emotional* traits also pass down?

My grandmother has one leg longer than the other, my dad does, and two of his children do, too! That seems genetic, right? But, might it be something else? Especially if which leg is longer/ shorter, is different? Muscle testing on mine said the cause was emotional; perhaps it has to do with a parent-child relationship?

Many children with ADD have a parent with ADD.

It’s clear we pass on physical traits to our children; and, our children pick up things from being around us; but what about when they act like grandparents and great-grandparents they have never met? Does that lend credence to the passing on of emotional “traits”, too?

2010, March 3

“Holy Bible and Book of Mormon: The Destruction of the Promised Land People” by grego

“Holy Bible and Book of Mormon: The Destruction of the Promised Land People”

(c) 2010

There is lots of flack about an unloving Old Testament God because he killed people to make way for his “promised” people.

Not so, really.

The Book of Mormon throws clear light on the situation:
1 Nephi 17:23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, spake unto them, saying:…
32 And after they had crossed the river Jordan he did make them mighty unto the driving out of the children of the land, yea, unto the scattering them to destruction.
33 And now, do ye suppose that the children of this land, who were in the land of promise, who were driven out by our fathers, do ye suppose that they were righteous? Behold, I say unto you, Nay.
34 Do ye suppose that our fathers would have been more choice than they if they had been righteous? I say unto you, Nay.
35 Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God. But behold, this people had rejected every word of God, and they were ripe in iniquity; and the fulness of the wrath of God was upon them; and the Lord did curse the land against them, and bless it unto our fathers; yea, he did curse it against them unto their destruction, and he did bless it unto our fathers unto their obtaining power over it.
36 Behold, the Lord hath created the earth that it should be inhabited; and he hath created his children that they should possess it.
37 And he raiseth up a righteous nation, and destroyeth the nations of the wicked.
38 And he leadeth away the righteous into precious lands, and the wicked he destroyeth, and curseth the land unto them for their sakes.

Notwithstanding the fickleness and unstableness of Moses’ people, they were still way above others at the time. The people who had been living in the promised land had been “ripe in iniquity”, having “rejected every word of God”, and their destruction at the hand of the Israelites/ Hebrews (not “the Jews”) led by Moses/ Joshua was his judgment upon them.

Does the Bible have anything to say?

Yes, it does. However, it seems to be missed by most readers, maybe because it occurs much earlier than the Exodus; it’s in Genesis 15:16. Here it is, with a little context:
Genesis 15:7 And he said unto him, I am the Lord that brought thee (Abraham) out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8 And he said, Lord God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

God is clear here that while the land has been promised, the time is not yet for Abraham’s seed to inherit the land, because “the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full”. Even though God knew that the Amorites and all others living there would fully reject his word, His judgment and destruction would not be righteous until that happened. After they were “ripe in iniquity”, Abraham’s seed would inherit the land, as there wasn’t space for them at the time; so until that time, Abraham’s covenant seed would be in Egypt.

2008, November 10

Does the Book of Mormon Contradict the Holy Bible?

Does the Book of Mormon Contradict the Holy Bible?
by grego

This is a question that many Christians ask. It’s a good one–on the surface. (It’s very similar to the question, “Is the Mormon Jesus different than the real Jesus, the Christian(TM) Jesus?”)

Obviously, the LDS Church is going to say no, and every other Christian church is going to say yes. I mean, what Christian church would say “The Book of Mormon doesn’t contradict the Bible”?

But to answer the question first, one must *necessarily* ask, WHICH interpretation of the Holy Bible is the *real* interpretation? Whose interpretation do we believe, over all the others? The Pentecostals? Anabaptists? Adventists? Baptists? Presbyterians? Congregationalists? Methodists? Lutherans? Catholics? Jehovah’s Witnesses?

See, the irony of this is pretty clear: none of these Christian churches believe in the same Bible! Notwithstanding all that, many members and leaders in those churches love to preach that the Mormons believe in a different Bible.

Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible? Well, that depends on your interpretation of the Book of Mormon, and your interpretation of the Bible. In some places, yes, there are parts that seem to contradict. But then, those parts also contradict other teachings in the same books (Bible seems to contradict Bible, Book of Mormon seems to contradict Book of Mormon). Not that hard to understand, right?

The real question is, is the Book of Mormon the word of God?

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2008, September 27

“Bible: Jesus’ Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard—Is It Really OK?” by grego

Bible: Jesus’ Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard—Is It Really OK?


Ok, it’s not in the Book of Mormon–even though there are discussions of laborers in vineyards there… In the Gospel According to St. Matthew, we read about the parable of the laborers in the vineyard:
1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

I attended Institute for four months at BYU where the teacher discussed the New Testament; a Brother M. Gerald Bradford. It was the worst class I have ever attended in my life for any type of religious learning, hands down. Ok, I really tried not to be biased. He had spoken at our stake conference earlier, and it’s the only time (I think) I’ve ever wanted to walk out on a talk, as I felt the Spirit really leave the room as he stood up and spoke. Not only that, the guy sounded like an … &^#@?. A few months later, and I had to be with him two hours, every week, in a small room, with very few other students! I tried to learn anything I could, really; but I don’t remember having learned anything the entire semester. Wait, on a personal/ personable level, he did share one thing one time: he had an aunt he cared for. Four months!!

Discussing the (wait, we never “discussed” during his lessons–he spoke to us, and if he asked questions, he was only being rhetorical) lesson, he covered this parable, commenting: “We think it’s not fair. We all do.”

I tried to keep it in as I had every time in the past he had made an assuming, stupid comment or judgment, but this time our differences had to come out: “Not really”. He wasn’t ready for that. Some little son of a peon had dared to…!! Aghast, he exclaimed/ threatened, “Yes we do!” I laughed. (I truly wish the man good luck, have prayed for him, and hope his classes are much better for everyone nowadays.)

At this time, I have my opinion for further reasons, which I’ll explain here:
When laborers look for work and accept a penny for a day, it’s because they need it, not because they want it. The early laborer had to work longer, but he had meals, had a pay he knew was coming at the end of the day, and knew he was safe for the night.

Those that stand idle do so not because they are happy to pass the time yakking and joking instead of working. Really, who waits all day, into the eleventh hour, looking and desperately hoping for work—if not those that desperately need it? Sure, the late laborers didn’t have to work as long; but they did have to worry all that time they were idle and waiting that there might be no future, no work; there had been no meals; but maybe, maybe they and their families would at least get a little something in pay and be safe for the night.

Which would you rather choose to be?

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