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2011, November 21

“Book of Mormon: Nephi’s Vision of the House of Israel Fighting against the Twelve Apostles and Losing (1 Nephi 11:35)” by grego

Book of Mormon: Nephi’s Vision of the House of Israel Fighting against the Twelve Apostles and Losing (1 Nephi 11:35)

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Ok, this has been sitting in the Drafts” section for too long, with nothing much more going on, so I’ll put it up for comment:

Nephi sees in vision:
1 Nephi 11:35 And the multitude of the earth was gathered together; and I beheld that they were in a large and spacious building, like unto the building which my father saw. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Behold the world and the wisdom thereof; yea, behold *the house of Israel* hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
This happens after Jesus is slain on the cross:
33 And I, Nephi, saw that he was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world.
34 And after he was slain I saw the multitudes of the earth, that they were gathered together to fight against the apostles of the Lamb; for thus were the twelve called by the angel of the Lord.
35 And the multitude of the earth was gathered together; and I beheld that they were in a large and spacious building, like unto the building which my father saw. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Behold the world and the wisdom thereof; yea, behold the house of Israel hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
36 And it came to pass that I saw and bear record, that the great and spacious building was the pride of the world; and it fell, and the fall thereof was exceedingly great. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Thus shall be the destruction of all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, that shall fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

After this, the vision seems to end, and another vision about Nephi’s posterity and the New World opens up.

This seems problematic: obviously Peter, James, John and the other apostles didn’t openly fight and overcome the world and its wisdom and pride, nor was everyone who fought against them destroyed.

Then what is the meaning of this part of Nephi’s vision: “the house of Israel hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb”?

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  1. “the house of Israel hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb”?

    To fight against the “Twelve Apostles” is as to say, to fight against God, or the Lamb of God; against His priesthood, against His gospel, against his followers.This fight has been occurring since the beginning of times and continues to occur throughout the world. The world, with its own wisdom, fights the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yesterday’s or today’s apostles are there to testify of Christ, to tell the truth; but the wicked reject the truth.
    Who are those who fight against God? The proud, those that follow the “mother of abominations” and, it is safe to say, even the House of Israel because this house has been scattered over the face of the earth, and these are the people of the covenant. These are the people who know (or should know) that Jesus is the Christ. It was the pride of the Pharisees (House of Israel) that sent Jesus to the cross and later persecuted the Apostles. (Nephi refers to that.)

    It was pride that caused the overthrowing of the Nephites:
    I beheld and saw that the seed of my brethren did contend against my seed, according to the word of the angel; and because of the pride of my seed, and the temptations of the devil, I beheld that the seed of my brethren did overpower the people of my seed. (1 Nephi 12:19)

    It was pride that prompted a mob to exterminate Joseph Smith.

    But those who fight against God are (eventually) brought down into “. . . captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually . . . ” (1 Nephi 14:7).
    In Jerusalem, apostasy followed Christ’s ministry; in AD 70 it was destroyed by the Romans.

    The Lord does not punish (destroy) us as soon as we sin, He gives us the opportunity to repent. Jerusalem was given that opportunity, many times. The world today is given that opportunity, but the wicked must eventually fall.

    Thanks for the opportunity to look into that. I hope others share more light.

    Norma R.

    Comment by Norma — 2012, January 16 @ 11:56 pm

  2. Norma,

    Thanks for sharing and adding, especially this part:

    “…it is safe to say, even the House of Israel because this house has been scattered over the face of the earth, and these are the people of the covenant. These are the people who know (or should know) that Jesus is the Christ.”

    and the examples.

    Best wishes,

    grego

    Comment by grego — 2012, January 17 @ 11:55 am

  3. The Jewish leaders were the convicting body that caused Paul to flee to Rome for justice. They were planning to assassinate him. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they had the same vindictive aim at the other Apostles. After all, they (the Apostles) were a threat to the Jewish leader’s livelihood, much as Joseph our prophet was a threat to the livelihood of religious leaders in his time; And still today.

    Comment by William Earl Turner — 2016, December 16 @ 2:13 pm

  4. Cleon Skousen in The Gospel Trilogy explains why the Jews were chosen to crucify the Savior.

    The Father: My son, as you know, with each new round of creation we have to choose someone to make a redemptive sacrifice. I am grateful that you volunteered to provide the needed sacrifice for this present round of creation. Now, whom are you planning to be responsible for bringing to pass your redemptive sacrifice? In other words, who should slay you? The Son: I would like to have my redemptive sacrifice brought about by some of those who loved me and who valiantly supported me during the War in Heaven. Since I will be coming into mortality through the loins of David, I believe I would like to have the Jews bring about my crucifixion. The Father: But they would never crucify you if they knew who you were. In fact, as Paul will later say, “Had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory” (1 Corinthians 2:8). The Son: Then I must arrange it so they will not realize who I am until after the crucifixion is over. The Father: How will you bring that about? The Son: Here is my plan. I will have the Jewish prophets reveal that the Messiah will be a Jew and that the Jews will think he is an impostor and slay him. Of course, their leaders will say that they would never kill their Messiah. No doubt they will denounce the prophecy as a myth and consider it an insult to the Jewish people. They will not only forbid anyone to preach this doctrine but pronounce a death penalty on anyone who dares to preach it. I am sure they will also remove from the scriptures the writings of any prophet who has taught that the Messiah will be killed by his own people. As a result of this, they will have no way of knowing who I am when I come among them as the Redeemer.

    Comment by William Earl Turner — 2016, December 16 @ 2:30 pm

  5. Yet Jacob (and Jesus) gave different reasons.

    Comment by grego — 2016, December 18 @ 5:51 am


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