Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

2011, February 15

“LDS/ Mormon Energy Work—My Experiences as Patient/ Healee and Critique/ Criticism of the Energy Healing Modality: Reference Point Therapy (RPT)” by grego

LDS/ Mormon Energy Work—My Experiences as Patient/ Healee and Critique/ Criticism of the Energy Healing Modality: Reference Point Therapy (RPT)


Here I will share some of my experiences with Reference Point Therapy (RPT), my personal critique/ criticism. I watched the videos, the healing demonstrations, the blog material, the theories and the work that this method was based on, and a few testimonials. Everything looked wonderful and powerful, and the people so happy!

After all the sessions, I was told I “got completed” for all of levels 1 and 2 (there is one more level, much more intensive and expensive, with the promises being more flowery and wonderful). I got pretty much what I paid for regarding the healer’s time, but almost nothing in what was promised (see the P.S.).  [I went back and checked notes–three things were better, out of a list of many symptoms and problems, most that were much more serious and higher up on the list I sent.]

I stopped for a while due to a communication problem that resulted unfairly in a further payment, but I figured I would be putting the relationship at risk if I brought it up or didn’t pay, and as I had a package deal with a few more sessions left, I figured that would make me lose out on the rest of the sessions, or at least their effectiveness. Plus, and this was the big thing—I kept thinking (and hoping) that maybe the most progress/ massive healing would be seen in the last session(s), like putting the final pieces in place for complete healing. Experiencing it to completion has also allowed me to critique it without jumping to conclusions or being accused of not having experience it all.

It was an interesting experience, and felt good, little by little, as it was being done.

However… as of now, months later (definitely enough time to notice changes), I can only see two small changes (emotional ones) in my life from it all.

SUMMARY: I spent over $1,000 and maybe 9 hours for this, and came out very little better for it.

Quantum Touch has helped with a few physical problems (head alignment, etc.).
Using SuperEFT(TM) I’ve helped people get over bipolar disorder in four hours, and with normal EFT, major emotional life issues, often in less than an hour (desire to marry from 0 to 11, phobia of water/ drowning, phobia of heights, phobia of underground/ tunnels, long-time anger from 10 to 0, etc.); some chronic pain in less than two minutes.
As a patient/ healee with Yuen Method, I’ve gotten over some chronic major health problems in mere minutes, sometimes less (so nice!).

All in all, based on my experiences, and based on the availability and performance of other energy healing modalities/ choices, I cannot recommend Reference Point Therapy (RPT) to anyone for emotional or physical healing.

So, what did I learn from my experience, and what personal suggestions/ pointers would I make to myself the next time around for energy work, of any mode, and with each healer:

1. Be clear about what you’re getting, for how much, when, etc.
Muscle testing only? Or muscle testing AND corrections along with it? Kinesiology corrections, pendulum corrections, energy work corrections (reiki, QT, EFT, QE, ME, YM, etc.)? Finding out your problems, or general healing for the body to use as it sees fit? Clearing your chakras? What does the “package” entail? What are other options (from other healers and from the same person), and how do they compare with each other/ to the package?

2. Be clear about how to measure progress.
Especially remember to use the 0-10 rating system to get logical, straightforward analysis–after each session (if you have multiple sessions, don’t wait till the very end to do this!). If you’re always working on things that “can’t be measured”, and things that measure really low, you’re not going to see the power of the healing. If someone says it’s going to take a while to see results, or that changes are “deep but subtle, over time”, personally, I would STOP and try another—because there are others that do give great results upfront.

3. Start out with your direst problems close to the top.
That way, you’ll know much more clearly if the healing can help you/ is working.

4. Go slowly.
No matter how good it sounds, start out at the bottom (often with a free session). Then, I would start out with ONE paid session (even if muscle testing or the pendulum say you will need more)—don’t even schedule a second one yet. (If you do, you usually need to pay if you miss, and it’s easier just to not schedule it in the first place.) If you can’t feel any *permanent* big change from that one session, STOP and try another healing method/ modality, or at least another practitioner. Some healers might allow you to put money from one paid session towards a package, if you ask first.
I signed up for the whole shebang (or so I thought) and spent about $900, and saw almost nothing from it (try explaining that to the wife (and yourself)!). I could feel “subtle” changes at the time, and they were great, but it seems that there was nothing big, and what little there was didn’t last/ hold. The practitioner was skilled, seemed to care, etc., and Reference Point Therapy has some great ideas behind it, and maybe it works for others, but for me something is obviously missing or defunct from this healing method/ modality/ experience.

5. Ask very clearly, even when it should be able to be assumed.
I felt cheated out of $125 this way—the practitioner wasn’t clear about an extra-pay session being extra-pay—she wasn’t clear about it at the beginning, I didn’t understand what she was getting at when I felt she rushed into the session, then she talked about payment only after the session (I went back and checked my recording to be double-sure). The practitioner also promised a few things that weren’t followed up on. Don’t feel bad about “feeling stingy”—better to be clear with each other than to have one or both sides feel mad and let down later.

6. Testimonials do count for something, but not for everything.
Listen to what people say. Closely. And to what they don’t say. Closely. Look for *concrete, measurable* changes, from multiple people, in diverse problems/ issues.

Copy/ save their website to your hard drive; keep every email (yours and theirs); each call/ session/ visit (from the start to the finish, not just of the session, but the entire interaction); etc. This is good for everyone; there are times it has helped both sides (with promises, clarity, etc.). I got most everything but one critical part of one call; it would have been much easier if only… I find it amazing how much can change from the first session to the last… If you have records, don’t be afraid to remind the healer about their promises. If the healer is not keeping promises that you have on record/ things aren’t working out, you can usually easily negotiate out. I can publicly post this experience because I DID keep records for most everything. Some USA states have laws about recording, such as disclosure. I find it best to just ask if it’s ok before promising/ scheduling, and if they say no, to choose someone else.

Good luck with healing!

P.S. Here is what was promised in the package:
–rapidly accelerate your spiritual growth. NO
–heal powerfully, rapidly and at the deepest level. NO
–clear patterns of feeling less than, not good enough, like a failure, unsafe, always a victim, never having enough. NO
–connect more fully with your soul’s purpose here. NO
–clear disconnection, abundance problems. NO
–more peace, quiet mind, happiness, contentment, etc. SOME; PERMANENTLY? VERY LITTLE
–achieve higher states of awareness, connection and intuition.
–easily access your own powers of creativity, ability to manifest abundance and romance and to fully feel the enjoyment of life. NO
–connect more fully with your soul’s purpose here. NO
–In addition, there was a promise that anything remaining would be cleared up at the end with a much quicker and more powerful method. NO

Had any of those happened, especially the first one, I would be happy. Live and learn, eh?


  1. I was ripped off by Dixie, their instructor in Weber Utah. I never got anything that was promised. Later she went into my checking account and took additional funds. I submitted a police report and complained to Evette and Simon Rose , as well as Valeria the US manager. All I got after they promised to make it right was grief !

    Comment by bc — 2011, April 22 @ 10:01 am

  2. Ouch! That sounds much worse than what happened to me.
    Good job on submitting a police report. And good luck getting it resolved well!

    Comment by grego — 2011, April 23 @ 2:23 am

  3. It’s unfortunate that you guys got burned by dishonest people, but one would have to admit that some ideas of muscle testing do make sense, and should work. I do agree with your advice on selecting a therapist, but I also feel that you’re both selling yourselves short if you believe that your negative experiences fairly represent the entire practice of muscle testing. Personally, I was only recently introduced to the whole theory. A dear friend of mine ( has used it for decades, and as much as I trust her, it would be silly not to be completely skeptical.
    I would love to try to explain here the theory as I understand it, but surely I would do it no justice. Instead, I will simply restate my point: There is truth, and there are countless counterfeits and misunderstandings of that same truth. I think that muscle testing is real and valid, but it is apparent that there are many who misunderstand it, and even attempt to counterfeit it. Don’t let the frauds ruin the possible truth for you.

    Comment by Dewain — 2011, May 12 @ 4:03 pm

  4. Dewain,

    Thanks for sharing.
    I agree with you about muscle testing and good users of it—I’ve used muscle testing before, and it was wonderful in finding out what the problems were, the order of taking care of the problems, the better solutions, etc. Helped *a lot*. And it was quite accurate, too.
    I’ve put up these suggestions in the hope that others won’t have the same “type” of experience I had—I hope everyone has better results, especially.


    Comment by grego — 2011, May 13 @ 2:57 am

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