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2010, May 5

LDS/ Mormon: Energy Healing: Occult, New-Age, or Complementary with the Gospel and LDS Church–A Critique of the Article “Energy Healing” by grego

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LDS/ Mormon: Energy Healing: Occult, New-Age, or Complementary with the Gospel and LDS Church–A Critique of Rosabella Knightley’s Article ‘Energy Healing'”

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After reading the article, Energy Healing, posted on October 16, 2009 by Rosabella Knightley, at
http://www.spiritualityoftheworld.com/?p=557 , I would like to put forth a few things.

I have repasted her article here for the purpose of critiquing it, and have answered many charges she has made and asked many questions I hope she and others would consider.

There is another article of hers that I have critiqued (on Ayurveda healing being from Satan) on this website.

I strongly agree that there are some very weird and improper things out there. Some are a little hilarious, even. (I’m sure you’ll find *many* living reincarnations of Cleopatra, for example!) Some are dangerous. Use your brain and the gospel to judge. (I believe it’s impossible, for example, that ex-Mormons receive completely true revelations from God about healing, how things are, etc. Or that healing is best done by literally commanding God to heal and He honors and even obeys someone who might not be righteous (like with ThetaHealing).) So, I agree with Ms. Knightley that many of these energy healing modalities are not completely in harmony with the gospel.

However… I have used energy healing for a few years now (Emotional Freedom Technique/ EFT, Quantum Touch/ QT, kinesiology, etc.), and found it to be very helpful—and spiritual. I have been able to bless others’ lives with it, and receive blessings in my life. The times I have used it would take up pages. I have certainly felt guided at times *not* to use it; and have certainly felt at times *to* use it. It has come in answer to my prayers. (As Brigham Young said somewhat: if a bull chases you, don’t stop to drop to your knees and pray—pray as you run as fast as you can to get away!) Like with many things, they are tools. A hammer is for building good things, though it can also hurt your thumb if you just haphazardly swing it. They are—on the whole—much, much safer than traditional healing means, both of physical and emotional natures. There are very few negative reactions, and those that do occur, can be gotten over. Unlike with allopathic/ Western medicine and (psychiatric, etc.) counseling, I have yet to hear of anything bad happening/ resulting from energy work.

The older I get, the more I realize most people don’t understand enough, generalize things too much, and then draw false conclusions. It’s not easy to stay on top of all new things and judge righteously, as there’s lots of deceiving going on and lots of old traditions are being washed away (for bad and good). I understand that.

Ms. Knightley seems to have taken all energy healing and lumped it all together and judged it negatively; I don’t think this is the proper thing to do. That’s like saying, “Belladonna is deadly, so don’t eat anything in the Nightshade family because you might die” and you go around telling everyone that, not understanding that means tomatoes, eggplant, peppers, wolfberries, etc. will kill you—which isn’t the case. There are plenty of energy work modalities that don’t involve some of the things that Ms. Knightley is troubled about.

I understand a type of thinking many LDS/ Mormons have—“the gospel is enough; Jesus is enough”. Except if something happens, they run straight to the MD! They’d rather get messed up for years, deal with multiple medications and multiple side effects (depression, mood swings, suicide, more health problems, etc.) and end up tens of thousands of dollars in debt on medical bills—instead of try something they fear because they don’t understand and won’t allow themselves to understand.

If that is all they want, and they feel content with that, what can I say? To each his own. To me, though, accepting the gospel and Jesus includes accepting all good (not bad) things that can help our lives to be better—and that includes energy healing.

Anyone with questions they’d like to ask an energy healer, go ahead and ask away!

grego

P.S. Notwithstanding what I have written, I love doctors and dentists—for a few things.

P.P.S. For a good page about scientific studies on energy healing, go to www.emofree.com, look under the “Research” button near the top.

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Energy Healing
October 16, 2009 by Rosabella Knightley [grego: I will refer to Rosabella Knightley as Ms. Knightley or as RK]
http://www.spiritualityoftheworld.com/?p=557

RK: Energy Healing

First let me say I have huge empathy for having to deal with severe pain, suffering and illnesses for I have had and have medical conditions that have drastically affected my life, even to the point of being bedridden for a couple years, in wheel chairs etc. So I completely understand the desire to find a cure or even a relief for a short time. I was healed completely by an energy healer at one time, though it did not last and I was told I needed to continue treatments. I declined once I found out that she had been a Satanist and had been a world renowned psychic. She only left this way of life due to the high stress nature and she had enough money to settle down comfortably and live a quiet life. She was not a repentant soul, merely tired of the fame. Her style was the basic energy healing that all of the energy healers use. I found there was a huge difference between her healing and what I have found within the Priesthood. Also I noted at the time even though she was very sweet, loving and kind, something felt a little off. There was something I felt was not right. It took finding out more about her to put all the pieces together. What happened after my session with her was very telling, I started questioning many things, my mind was foggy. Things that were black and white became just grays. I was then approached with all kinds of occult teachings instantly and it was hard to recognize them as false. I was being presented with ideas like re-incarnation, Godhood without the accountability that is in the Lord’s plan of salvation etc. It was very hard to tell they were wrong. This was a very close call for me, and has made it profoundly clear to me why we are to stay away from, sorcerers, astrologers, those that have familiar spirits, diviners etc… I was almost snared and almost lost my way.

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grego: I do not have anything negative to say here. There is a lot of mixture going on in this area of healing—just like there are lots of things going on with western medicine. Energy healing” is a very large group of different healings, all based on similar but different things, and many people also add in other elements—such as religious parts. Yes, you do need to watch out for this!

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RK: I feel that you lose the Spirit when you dabble into these things, and you are left with just your understandings. We are really good at fooling ourselves into thinking we “still have” the Spirit with us. When we have taken one step off the path we do not have the Holy Ghost with us anymore. It is very dangerous to dabble into the occult.

grego: Yes. So the big question is, what exactly are we to stay away from, and is energy healing part of that?

This little part is the gray step in Ms. Knightley’s discussion that leads from “this was my experience with one person” to “this is a general teaching that everyone needs to listen to, because all energy healing is of the devil”. It’s not a logical conclusion.

For example, most every official interaction I’ve had with police over the years has been with dishonest, lazy, and/ or wicked men—yet I do not go around saying that every single policeman is dishonest and wicked. Every dentist has lied when asked about my teeth, but I don’t go around saying all dentists have no clue what they are ever talking about. One physical therapist told me he could heal me, but he couldn’t—yet I don’t go around saying all doctors are clearly charlatans that just want to make money.

No matter how true any of those might be, I can’t draw a general conclusion in all honesty!!

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RK: Many LDS have gotten involved in these kinds of things very innocently. It has been told to me through the proper authorities that the practice of energy healing of this kind is not to be done by church members.

grego: “Proper authorities”—who are they? Perhaps those “proper authorities” would like to talk to the apostles, as when I asked one about a year ago, there was nothing about “the practice of energy healing of this kind is not to be done by church members”—nothing even remotely like that; in fact, it was clear that was not the case. (By the way, this topic was in a letter, and the response was a letter—it wasn’t just a quick comment after some conference where there might have been some easy-to-understand misunderstanding.)

Let me say that one more time, as I think it is very important:

THERE IS NOTHING FROM ANY “PROPER AUTHORITY” THAT “ENERGY HEALING IS NOT TO BE DONE BY CHURCH MEMBERS” as Ms. Knightley wrote.

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RK: I state my personal opinion that I have gain through my research and personal experience.

grego: well, that seems to cast the matter in a different light—is it her opinion, or is it from Church leaders?

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RK: Though find out yourselves through the correct channels what is accepted to do within the Church. The occult heals through energy healing without any belief in Christ or Faith in God, they can heal at the same time as they deny God and live in complete disobedience to the commandments of God therefore unable to have the Holy Ghosts Gift of Healing.

grego: Correct–just as it is possible for your pediatrician, ob-gyn, your dentist, your psychiatrist, your car mechanic, your hairdresser, your country’s president, or any other of the hundreds of “professionals” and others that you give yourself and your things over to.

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RK: Energy-healing I am discussing is done with the body’s energy field and tapping into an outside source of energy to heal the body.

grego: Is the perhaps most famous energy healing—EFT, or emotional freedom response–done that way? While there are a few others that seem to clearly be done that way (such as ThetaHealing), not all energy healing is done that way.

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RK: Most practitioners do not know what the force is they are tapping into. They are first taught it is just a neutral energy then later if they get deeper instructions the source of the real force/energy is taught to them, if they seek to know.

grego: I’d really like to know what modality(/ies) Ms. Knightley is speaking of…

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RK: They are all taught at first it is the body that is telling them what it needs and that the power to help the body heal is neutral, but when you go deeper you find out what that really means. You learn that it is spirit entities that are communicating the information to you and using their power to heal the person.

grego: well, somehow *I* wasn’t part of that “they are all” group… ;(

While there might be some modalities like that (and there are), NOT ALL ARE NOR DO.

Also, it brings up other questions.

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RK: Since this occurs outside of any operation of the priesthood, or worthiness of the practitioner we can be certain that these entities are not the angels of God. Since there are only two sides that have spirit entities that have powers, the Lord’s and the Devil’s and they are not on the Lord’s side, then they must be on the Devil’s side; they must be demons. Even demons can make themselves appear as though they were angels of light and may even call themselves angels, but they will not confess Jesus to be the Son of God and Savior of man.

grego: I have a few questions here…

1. Iif “there are only two sides that have spirit entities that have powers,” are there any other sides or factions or groups that *don’t* have powers?

2. If a wicked doctor heals you, was it the devil that did it? What is one to make of that situation?

3. Are all spirits “on the Devil’s side” demons?

4. Is it possible that spirits might be the same over in the spirit world much as they were while here on earth?

5. What are we to make of all the good people who don’t have the gospel, and are therefore in spirit prison? Are they demons?

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RK: Lucifer can manifest healings as a counterfeit to the Lord’s. The power the occult uses to heal is not coming from God and is not neutral.

grego: I agree, if that is truly the case; is it truly the case?

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RK: I know this is a hard issue for many people to accept and I fully understand, for I pondered this myself hoping that it could be good, but in my research I have only found more and more evidence contrary.

grego: Could Ms. Knightley please share her evidence?

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RK: I was told that anyone doing energy healing should not hold a temple recommend. I have an extended relative that is an energy healer. She works with the bodies’ energy field and works with the chakras. She was told by her stake President that she could not hold a temple recommend until she stopped doing any energy work, also if continued she may have faced worse disciple.

grego: Ok, apostle or stake president… Um, I’m going with the apostle.

My bishop not only knows I do energy healing “[working with the body’s energy field and with chakras]”, he has received help from it, has learned it from me, and is thankful for it.

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RK: The scriptures make it very clear how the Lord uses spiritual power to heal. He does it through the Laying on of hand of the Priesthood. Any use of spiritual power the world uses that is different than this is not of God but is actually going around God and His will.

grego: That’s impossible. You *cannot*–it is impossible—to “actually [go] around God and His will”. How could one??

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RK: That is what energy healing does; it is the counterfeit of the Lords way.

grego: References, please.

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RK: There are other means of healing that do not use spiritual forces to do them such as traditional medicine and the use of herbs, but when you start using forces or energy especially with spirit entities help you have now entered into the realm of spiritual forces and energy. There is not a neutral spirit-energy we can tap into.

Jeffrey R. Holland, “‘Sanctify Yourselves’,” Liahona, Jan 2001, 46–49
…there is no neutral ground in the universe: every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan.”

This is not an easy one to understand or recognize as something possibly evil. For it appears to be good and loving. We want to be healed and wonderful people want to help us heal. Many feel that if the outcome is positive how could it be bad? Many good-hearted people are practicing energy healing. The core difference in energy healing and the Priesthood blessings is Fathers Will.

grego: I wish to ask Ms. Knightley, if energy is not neutral, which side is electricity on? Nuclear power? Solar power, and the sun? The wind, the water? Kinetic? Gravity?

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RK: There has not been a very clear directive pertaining to this subject. It exists but it is not easily found I will show some references later.

grego: “[i]t exists, but there has not been a very clear directive.” I’m very confused by this—is there one, or not?

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RK: Energy healing has been very popular within and without the Church. There seems to be much confusion on this issue, whether it is ok or not to do. I hope showing some data will be helpful in coming to terms with what it really is.

Energy healing through the means of Spirit Guides or Guardian angels is how occultists, witches and others that deny the existence of God heal by miracles powers. Spirit guides are the same as familiar spirits in the scriptures. This is something we are told clearly to avoid.

grego: And wicked men kill with guns, but I am not sure guns themselves are wicked, are they?

I don’t mean to say anything bad about Ms. Knightley, and I believe she speaks the truth about some of the modalities; but, I think thus far one sees there are many problems with her statements.

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RK: Books written by LDS authors which deal with energy healing and the Law of attraction are not sold in LDS book stores. I inquired of Deseret Book the reason why they do not carry a particular book. I was told it was carried at one point then pulled from the shelves because of content. If you look through Deseret they do not carry anything that deals with energy healing even though many LDS have written books on the subject.

grego: Many books are pulled “because of content” because someone complained. That is also a reported reason why some SF books are sold there, and some aren’t. Deseret Books is a business, not an official policy branch of the LDS Church releasing statements on energy healing.

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RK: If you listen to what they say or re-read conference talks it is clear that they are opposed to these very things, they just do not name them out-right. They instead tell us where to look for truth and happiness. They teach Father’s Plan over warning us of each detail of Lucifer’s. They warn us away from all the occult practices, but it is hard to recognizes some of the old terms like familiar spirits when you are not told that is the source of the energy to heal.

grego: Correct, they do not name them outright. This could be true, or it could be Ms. Knightley is reading into things.

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RK: A vital point to keep in mind is that energy healers can heal without being worthy or having authority to do so, nor are asking for the Lords Will. They can live very sinful lives, yet heal.

grego: and doctors can’t?!?! If one were to attempt to use God’s power in a bad way, I could understand; but is this the case with all energy healing?

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RK: The Gifts of the Holy Ghost are conditional. You must meet certain requirements to receive the gifts. You can not have the Gift of Healing from the Holy Ghost yet not be worthy of he Holy Ghost.

grego: I agree. Now, do all energy healers not just claim the power, but do they have the “[g]ift of [h]ealing from the Holy Ghost yet not be worthy of [the] Holy Ghost”?

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RK: The healers have no such requirements as we do in our Church. I am in no way saying that every person that tries to do energy healing is evil, just that that the power does not come from them and it is not neutral nor can it come from God for He has rules that are not being met.

grego: Ms. Knightley is assuming that the power is from God, and that the energy healers steal it. Is this all true? *Can* this be true?

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RK: I am not talking about the Gift of Healing that is a gift of the Spirit in the way in which the Lord has directed it be done. I am talking about the means in which the occult and world uses to heal through spiritual energy healing. The Gift of Healing must be determined by using discernment and verifying it with the proper authorities.

Here is a reference that I feel helps clarify where the Church stands on energy healing or laying on of hands and who is the only ones to do it by the power of God.

Link to quote click Here

Teachings of Joseph Smith

The sick may be healed through faith and the exercise of priesthood power, according to the Lord’s will.

What is the sign of the healing of the sick? The laying on of hands is the sign or way marked out by James, and the custom of the ancient Saints as ordered by the Lord, and we cannot obtain the blessing by pursuing any other course except the way marked out by the Lord [see James 5:14–15].”

James 5:14-15

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

As this states there 3 steps necessary for spiritual healing from God: 1) Faith 2) Priesthood 3) God’s will. We cannot obtain the blessing by pursuing any other course except the way marked out by the Lord in James, per Joseph Smith.

grego: Actually, no, and it’s clear in the Church. Those three steps is the best way—but it is clearly not the only way. Has not faith, without priesthood blessings of the sick, healed? Are there clearly not healings—both within and without the Church—where faith has healed? Didn’t Elder Oaks just say that faith can do it? (Ms. Knightley later contradicts herself here, but for the better—she allows healings by faith.)

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RK: In my research I have tried to understand where spiritual powers come from and if any were neutral. What I have found was the power comes from either God or Lucifer and that there is no neutral power we can tap into ourselves, for we are either doing the Lord’s will or Lucifer’s and doing it through their power.

grego: once more, is all power either from the God or Satan? If so, who controls which powers? Does electricity bless? Does it kill? So if it kills, does that mean it’s from Satan, and that all blessings that come from electricity, are actually deceptions?

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RK: Therefore spiritual healing outside of the authority of the Priesthood is an area of great concern and easy deception.

Elder Bednar said in “SEEK LEARNING BY FAITH” Address to CES Religious Educators February 3, 2006 Jordan Institute of Religion)

In this regard, you and I are much like the long, thin strands of glass used to create the fiber-optic cables through which light signals are transmitted over very long distances. Just as the glass in these cables must be pure to conduct the light efficiently and effectively, so we should become and remain worthy conduits through whom the Spirit of the Lord can operate.

But brothers and sisters, we must be careful to remember in our service that we are conduits and channels; we are not the light.”

grego: Yup.

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grego: About the following passages: instead of cutting in all the time, I’ll leave Ms. Knightley’s writings together for a while, and continue further on; once more, I hope all can distinguish between the important things and other things; between things that must be, things that might be, and things that surely aren’t, but are taught because they are either misunderstood or the teacher is dishonest.

I have a few questions that go along with much of Ms. Knightley’s thinking, and the conclusions drawn from it. I hope all will keep these questions in mind and answer:

1. If I am a Muslim doctor, can I still operate on a Christian patient?

2. If I am a Muslim doctor, can I still believe Allah helps my hands, and heal someone—and then actually heal someone? Even save their life?? And it might not be contrary to God’s will?

3. If you are a Mormon/ LDS, and a Muslim doctor heals you miraculously, will you have to believe him when he says Allah did it and you must worship Him, in order to profit from the healing?

4. Is it possible I can drive a car and still have no idea that it needs oil, nor where to add it?

5. Is it possible for someone to not understand or misunderstand a power (electrictity, gravity) but still understand how to use it, for good or bad?

6. Is intuition part of the spirit of Christ, or of the Holy Ghost? Can only members of the LDS Church receive intuition? (Clearly not, according to many prophets’ quotes.)

7. Are mental powers, given the right conditions (please read Neil Slade’s Frontal Lobes et. al. books), that can be exercised by most any human being beyond what most do now, a manifestation of Satan?

8. Is a priesthood blessing “a procedure that involves rebalancing the energy field”, as Ms. Brennan understands her energy healing to be?

9. Is it possible/ Has it happened that someone who has given a priesthood blessing has said inappropriate/ untrue things? Does that make the remainder of the blessing, including the actual healing part (anointing and sealing), inappropriate, untrue, and void? Does that make all priesthood blessings bad?

10. Is it possible/ Has it happened that someone who has received a priesthood blessing has heard/ understood inappropriate/ untrue things? Does that mean that the remainder of the blessing, including the actual healing part (anointing and sealing), was all misunderstood? Does that mean they should never get a priesthood blessing?

11. Is it possible that “past lives” might be misunderstood connections to “the collective unconscious”, disembodied spirits, or something else?

12. Ms. Knightley writes: “Recently many with modem scientific training have been able to add observations on a concrete, physical level……”

As seen in the previous paragraph, Barbara throughout her book quotes the deepest occultists there are as sources to understand energy healing including Helena Blavatsky who is considered the Mother of the New Age. “

So, are all the “observations on a concrete, physical level” also from Satan? (You know, like the dinosaur fossils? ;) )

13. If I were to ask you how a dishwasher worked, would you be able to tell me absolutely clearly and perfectly? Would it be possible—-even though you can pull out clean dishes all the time, and I might not be able to—that you might get some of the understandings really messed up? And if you finally did understand all about thedishwasher, yet someone asked you where the electricity came from to run it all, would you be able to explain where the energy’s source original source?


RK: The foremost leader in all Energy Healing is Barbara Ann Brennan uses a spirit guide to heal; she is well respected and most all books and practitioners of energy healing refer to her. Here is the information regarding her on her book “Hands of Light: A Guide to Healing Through the Human Energy Field.

BARBARA ANN BRENNAN is a practicing healer, therapist and scientist. She was a research scientist for NASA at the Goddard space Flight Center following the completion of her M.S. in Atmospheric Physics from the University of Wisconsin. For the past fifteen years she has been studydng and working with the human energy field and involved in research projects with Drexel University and the Institute for the New Age. She was trained in bioenergetic therapy at the Institute for Psychophysical Synthesis, Community of the Whole Person and in the Core Energetic Process at the Institute for the New Age. She has studied with both American and Native American healers. Barbara is the founder and director of the GAIABRIEL foundation in New York City where she teaches and conducts a healing practice. In addition, her teaching and healing take her throughout North America, as well as to several countries in Europe.”

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Brennan for latest updates on her or her website http://www.barbarabrennan.com/

Wikipedia:

Her first book, Hands of Light: A Guide to Healing Through the Human Energy Field, became popular in 1989 and is considered a “classic”[4] in the field of spiritual healing, with reputedly over one million copies in print in 22 languages. Brennan’s books are most noted for their drawings of auras and energy fields, and her descriptions of how human energy fields interact with each other.[1] Her ideas and healing processes are similar in some ways to writers such as Mantak Chia and Ken Page, and draw on the views of Theosophists such as C. W. Leadbeater and Alice Bailey.

.Brennan claims to receive intuitive messages about her clients during sessions. She also claims to see repetitive patterns in the energy consciousness of her clients indicating common roots underlying their difficulties. Her books draw on messages channeled from Heyoan, who she claims to believe to be her spiritual guide.”

Here are some quotes from her book that I feel will give you a greater understanding of how energy healing works. Many books on this subject do not go as deep as she does, they merely tell you that you are tapping into a source energy but who or what that source energy is they leave out. You must look to where they gained their knowledge of energy healing and from those sources the same data is always found which is the same as what Barbara Ann Brennan teaches.

Hands of Light by Barbara Ann Brennan

Hands Of Light: Chapter One: The Healing Experience Pg 3

During the healing session, I scanned her energy field, or aura, using my “High Sense Perception” (HSP). I “saw” some abnormal cells inside the uterus on the lower left side. At the same time, I “saw” the circumstances around the miscarriage. The abnormal cells were located where the placenta had been attached. I also ‘heard” words that described Jenny’s condition and what to do about it. What I heard was that Jenny needed to take a month off, go to the ocean, take specific vitamins, stay on a specific diet and meditate daily, spending at least two hours a day alone. Then after spending the month healing herself, she should return to the normal medical world and be tested again. , I was told that the healing was completed and that she didn’t need to return to me. During the healing I received information about her psychological attitude and how that was affecting her inability to heal herself. She blamed herself for the miscarriage. As a result, she was placing undue stress upon herself and was preventing her body from healing itself after the miscarriage. I was told (and this is the hard part for me) that she should not go to another physician for at least a month because the different diagnoses and pressures to have a hysterectomy were adding greatly to the stress. Her heart was breaking because she wanted a child so badly.”

Hands Of Light : Chapter One: The Healing Experience Pg 5

How do these seemingly miraculous events take place? What am I doing to help these people? The process I use is called laying-on of hands, faith healing or spiritual healing. It is not at all a mysterious process, but very straightforward, although many times very complicated. It is a procedure that involves rebalancing the energy field, which I call the Human Energy Field that exists around each of us. Everyone has an energy field or aura that surrounds and interpenetrates the physical body. This energy field is intimately associated with health. High Sense Perception is a way of perceiving things beyond the normal ranges of human senses. With it one can see, hear, smell, taste and touch things that cannot normally be perceived. High Sense Perception is a type of “seeing” in which you perceive a picture in your mind without the use of your normal vision. It is not imagination. It is sometimes referred to as clairvoyance.”

Hands Of Light : Chapter One: The Healing Experience Pg 6

To develop HSP, it is necessary to enter into an expanded state of consciousness. There are many methods for doing this. Meditating is fast becoming the most well-known. Meditation can be practiced in many forms; it is important to find the form that best suits you. I will offer some suggested meditations, from which you may want to choose, later in this book. I have also found that you can enter an expanded state of consciousness by jogging, walking, fishing, sitting on a sand dune and watching the waves roll in, or sitting in the woods, as I did as a child.”

Hands Of Light : Chapter One: The Healing Experience Pg 7

“…I found myself receiving information about the source of a client’s illness. This information seemed to be coming from what appeared to be an intelligence higher than myself or what I normally considered to be myself. This process of receiving information this way is popularly called channeling. Channeled information would come in the form of words, concepts or symbolic pictures that would enter into my mind when I was re-balancing the client’s energy field. I would always be in an altered state of consciousness when doing this. I became proficient in receiving information in a combination of ways using HSP (i.e., channeling or seeing). I would correlate what I received in either a symbolic picture in my mind, a concept or a direct verbal message with what I saw in the energy field. For example, in one case I heard directly, “She has cancer,” and I saw a black spot in her energy field. The black spot correlated in size, shape and location with results from a CAT scan taken later. This combination of receiving information with HSP has become very efficient, and I have a very high accuracy in any particular description of a client’s condition. I also receive information as to what self-help actions the client should take during the course of the healing process. This process usually entails a series of healing sessions that last over several weeks or months, depending on the seriousness of the disease. The healing process includes re-balancing the field, changing the living habits and dealing with the initiating trauma.”

Hands of Light Chapter 3: A NOTE ON TRAINING AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF GUIDANCE pg 14

You always get back what you put out. That is what is called karma. As the energy flowing through you as a healer increases, so does your power. If you put any of this power to a negative use, you will eventually experience that same negativity coming back at you.

As my life unfolded, the unseen hand that led me became more and more perceptible. At first I vaguely sensed it. Then I began seeing spiritual beings, as if in a vision. Then I began to hear them talking to me and feel them touch me. I now accept that I have a guide. I can see, hear, and feel him. “He” says he is not male or female. “He” says that in his world there is no splitting along sexual lines and that beings at his level of existence are whole. “He” says that his name is Heyoan, which means, “The Wind Whispering truth Through the Centuries.” His introduction to me was slow and organic. The nature of our relationship grows daily, as I am guided to new levels of understanding. You will see it build as we go through this adventure together. At times, I simply call it metaphor.

“…Heyoan says that if we just listened to this guidance and followed it we would rarely get sick. In other words, attending to the discomfort you feel puts you back into balance and therefore health. This discomfort can be in your in body in physical form, like physical discomfort or pain; it could be on any level of your being— emotional, mental, or spiritual. It could be in any area of your life.

Heyoan asks, ‘Where is the discomfort in your body/life? How long have you known about it? What is it saying to you? What have you done about it?’

If you answer those questions honestly you will find how much you disregard the best tool you have to keep yourself healthy, happy and wise. Any discomfort anywhere in your body/life is a direct message to you about how you are out of alignment with your true self.”

Hands of Light Chapter 3: A NOTE ON TRAINING AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF GUIDANCE pg 15

“…I was a counselor in Washington, D.C. During the sessions I was giving people, I began to see to what might be termed past lives. I would see the individual I was working with in a completely different setting in a different time frame. Whatever the scene was, it was relevant some way to what was going on in the person’s life. For example, a woman who was afraid of the water had drowned in another lifetime. She also had a difficulty in asking for help in this lifetime. In the lifetime when she drowned, nobody could hear her screams for help when she fell off a boat. This personality difficulty interfered with her life now more than the fear of the water.”

Hands of Light Chapter 5 HISTORY OF THE SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION INTO THE HUMAN ENERGY FIELD pg 29

Many esoteric teachings—the ancient Hindu Vedic texts, the Theosophists, the Rosicrucians, the Native American Medicine People, the Tibetan and Indian Buddhists, the Japanese Zen Buddhists, Madame Blavatsky, and Rudolph Steiner, to mention a few—describe the Human Energy Field in detail. Recently many with modem scientific training have been able to add observations on a concrete, physical level……”

As seen in the previous paragraph, Barbara throughout her book quotes the deepest occultists there are as sources to understand energy healing including Helena Blavatsky who is considered the Mother of the New Age. In Blavatsky’s books she says Lucifer is the God of the planet and is good. She even for some years had a magazine called Lucifer. She explains energy healing the same way Barbara does. We may think of this as just eastern philosophies, but eastern religions were heavily influenced by the occult practices.

Hands of Light Chapter 5 HISTORY OF THE SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION INTO THE HUMAN ENERGY FIELD pg 35

Marilyn Ferguson declared in Brain Mind Bulletin that “the holistic model has been described as the ‘emerging paradigm,’ an integral :theory that would catch all the wonderful wildlife of science and spirit. Here at last is a theory that marries biology to physics in an open system.”

(Since Barbara quote Marilyn Ferguson here is some information regarding her)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Ferguson

Marilyn Ferguson (April 5, 1938 – October 19, 2008) was an influential American author, editor and public speaker, best known for her 1980 book The Aquarian Conspiracy and its affiliation with the New Age Movement in popular culture.
A founding member of the Association of Humanistic Psychology, Ferguson published and edited the well-regarded science newsletter Brain/Mind Bulletin from 1975 to 1996. She eventually earned numerous honorary degrees, served on the board of directors of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and befriended such diverse figures of influence as inventor and theorist Buckminster Fuller, spiritual author Ram Dass, Nobel Prize-winning chemist Ilya Prigogine and billionaire Ted Turner. Ferguson’s work also influenced Vice President Al Gore, who participated in her informal network while a senator and later met with her in the White House.

Before long the book was being credited as “the handbook of the New Age” (USA Today) and a guidepost to a philosophy “working its way increasingly into the nation’s cultural, religious, social, economic and political life” (New York Times).

The book was eventually translated into some 16 foreign languages, and Ferguson became a sought-after speaker across North America and around the world, eventually traveling as far as Brazil, Sweden and India to convey her hopeful message. In 1985 she was featured as a keynote speaker at the United Nations-sponsored “Spirit of Peace” conference, where she appeared along with Mother Teresa and the Dalai Lama of Tibet.

Figure 24-6: Hands of Light In the book “Hands of Light”

The picture shows the healer standing over the client. It shows spirit entities putting their hands on the healer’s hands and sending the healing energy through the healer to the patient. It is clear in her book that there is not a neutral source of energy that we can just tap into, but an energy source from spirits.

Full Spectrum Healing Pg 225

All this is done with the guides directing your hands and healing light. Your hands will move automatically.

Hands of Light Chapter 27 THE DEVFTOPMENT OF A HEALER Pg 276

Deep inside of us there exists a spark of the Divine will. God’s will. Many people experience Divine will as outside of themselves. This means they must always find someone else to tell them what to do. This leads to a feeling of worthlessness. I have found that a spark of Divine will exists within every human being. It is essential that you allow yourself time to search for it inside yourself until you find it. It is there, you are not the exception. What does it mean to follow God’s will anyway? It certainly doesn’t mean to follow God’s will as defined by an outer authority.”

Some points I would like to cover based on the previous quotes.

Barbara makes it clear that we are not to follow the will of a Father in Heaven. In the new age Occult we are all “gods” we have the power within to co-create our own realities including healings. They mock and deny Christ and Father as our God and disagree we need to submit our will to Father. Just as Lucifer will not submit his will to Father they say we should not.

grego: Yes, and no. Many people have been disillusioned by many churches and their workings and corruptions. I wonder, if Ms. Knightley had grown up Catholic and disillusioned, and that was all religion to her, would it be better to be a Catholic, or to listen to the spark of divinity in herself, which, if done, would lead her to the gospel of Jesus Christ?

No, I don’t agree with Ms. Brannan; she is close, but not all the way there.; do we not all have a spark of divinity in us? Are we all not gods? Well, yes; but not quite; right?

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RK: As LDS we know that the Lord will have the Elders give blessings but the power is known to come from God. It is not the Priesthood holder’s power; it is the Lords. It is the same with the New Age/Occult healers. It is not “their” power; it comes from spirits. Merely praying or saying in Jesus name Amen does not change “who” the power is coming from. We are told clearly that the only power of healing done in this spiritual fashion comes from the Priesthood holders under very specific conditions. This does not mean we cannot pray for someone’s health to become better. But it does mean that the spiritual power is to be administered only through the Priesthood in the correct manner. Also I am not negating the ability to pray and be healed through Faith in Jesus Christ. I am merely discussing the means of healing the occult uses in contrast to the way healing is done by the Priesthood through the proper authority.

Elder Marion G. Romney, who, at a Brigham Young University devotional in 1955
Elder Romney continues: “The consequences of [mortal man’s] choices are of the all-or-nothing sort. There is no way for him to escape the influence of these opposing powers. Inevitably he is led by one or the other. His God-given free agency gives him the power and option to choose. But choose he must. Nor can he serve both of them at the same time, for, as Jesus said, ‘No man can serve two masters: … Ye cannot serve God and mammon.’ ”

These two powers God’s and Lucifer’s counterfeit are what we have to deal with daily and use the gift of discernment to tell the difference. The best way I have found that can logically work is when you measure it by the example of Christ saying “Father Thy will be done” if we are not seeking His will or if persons that are not can access such godly powers of healing then we must come to the realization that it is coming from the other power that is on Earth. Just remember Moses and the Priests of Pharaoh.

There is a good book on this very subject written by a Christian that was an energy healer. It explains her experiences and how she came to the knowledge of the source of the power. It is called “The Beautiful Side of Evil” by Johanna Michaelson. It is a fascinating story of her search for understanding of these powers. The whole time she was always trying to do everything for the Lord, but she finally realized the true source of the power. She found out it was not God.

grego: I don’t know the book, but once more, it seems it’s one person’s personal experience with one energy healing modality. Look, if you thought the man you were going out with was a good guy and you were hoping to get married in the temple, but you later realized he was a liar, does that mean all men who date are liars? Does that mean all men are liars? Does that mean getting married in the temple is a wicked thing to do? Does that mean the temple is evil?

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RK: A very defining difference of healing by energy healers is the complete absence of the Lord’s Will. They heal without the consent of Father.

grego: Does everyone who gives or gets any type of first aid or counsel from any human, other than God, do so with “the consent of Father” and therefore sin??

Hey, wait—how does Ms. Knightley know that energy healers heal in a “complete absence of the Lord’s Will”?? If I pray before helping someone, and the Spirit says it’s ok, then what??

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RK: When Priesthood holders give a blessing it is based solely on the Lord’s will and the Faith of the individual. We do not bless the person with health if it is not the Lords will.

grego: I think it could be said that if that were always the case, Elder Oaks wouldn’t have had to discuss that in his latest General Conference talk on healing; does that make sense?

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RK: The energy healers do just that. They go around the Lord and use powers to heal without his will. There is a difference in using herbs or medicine, for they are not a spiritual power, energy healing is.

grego: Ms. Knightley seems to have forgotten it’s God or Satan, nothing in between.

She seems to have also forgotten that to the Lord, all things are spiritual. Herbs? They’re in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. Medicine? I don’t see that anywhere. However, yes, Mormons may use medicine, as Elder Oaks spoke. (People do come here asking “Can Mormons use medicine?”) Medicine has caused many unnecessary deaths. Medicine has cause many suicides, loss of conscience experiences, etc.—if that is just a “temporal” effect and not spiritual, let me know how so! I don’t see how once can clearly separate them.

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RK: Barbara makes it clear the information and power to heal is coming from spirits. She talks about Channeling which is the same as being a medium and allowing a spirit entity to possess your body, mind and thoughts. She allows their power to flow through her to heal her patients. She talks about Karma which is solely a teaching of reincarnation, which is a doctrine in the occult.

grego: “…Karma which is solely a teaching of reincarnation, which is a doctrine in the occult.” Whoops. Someone forgot to tell Alma that: Alma 41:15 “For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored…” Karma! (Actually, most of Alma 41 talks about karma.)

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RK: She tells of her spirit guide her (familiar spirit) named Heyoan and what he tells her. She comes to the understanding that spiritual healing comes not from us but from spirit guides. Witches and the deepest levels of the occult use this practice of energy healing. They know where the power is coming from. Helena Blavatsky the so called Mother of the New Age talks on energy healing and she believes that Lucifer is the God of the planet. Brennan in her book speaks highly of Blavatsky as one of the resources she has gained her understanding to heal through energy healing.

grego: and…?

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RK: This is Lucifer’s counterfeit to the Lord’s established and ordained means of healing the sick. We need to stay away from this form of energy healing for it does not come from God.

grego: How does Ms. Knightley know?

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RK: I have known many people that have gotten involved in energy healing and have left the Church. It does work, but the miracles performed are not from the correct side.

grego: “Many people”? How many? Who? And they said themselves it was because of energy helaing? I have known people who have gotten a calling and left the church—so don’t accept a calling? I have known people who have gotten married and left the church—so don’t get married? I have known people who have bought a boat and left the church—so don’t buy a boat? I have known people who have … But, is there a connection? And is the connection evil, or the thing evil?

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RK: We are to heal people, in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power and authority of the priesthood, and also use herbs which have been designed by God to assist in the treatment of diseases. In modern times the church leaders have sanctioned the use of modern scientifically-based medicine. These are the ways laid out by the Lord for healing,

grego: Yes—but are these restrictive, like the Word of Wisdom? No. And once more, the apostle didn’t say so. Note first that as shown, energy healing is scientific; then note this, from Elder Oaks:

“Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques. We use nutrition, exercise, and other practices to preserve health, and we enlist the help of healing practitioners, such as physicians and surgeons, to restore health.

The use of medical science is not at odds with our prayers of faith and our reliance on priesthood blessings. When a person requested a priesthood blessing, Brigham Young would ask, “Have you used any remedies?” To those who said no because “we wish the Elders to lay hands upon us, and we have faith that we shall be healed,” President Young replied: “That is very inconsistent according to my faith. If we are sick, and ask the Lord to heal us, and *to do all for us that is necessary to be done*, according to my understanding of the Gospel of salvation, I might as well ask the Lord to cause my wheat and corn to grow, without my plowing the ground and casting in the seed. **It appears consistent to me to apply every remedy that comes within the range of my knowledge**, and [then] to ask my Father in Heaven . . . to sanctify that application to the healing of my body.”

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RK: use great caution when entering into the ways the world is offering spiritual healing.

grego: Absolutely, amen! (especially when dealing with the ADA members and AMA members—that’s all the MD’s and DDS’s you know—many of whom are good people, just misled to administer death to many people—not much has changed since Brigham Young’s day, eh?!). Some of what Ms. Knightley talks about is true, and those involved in energy work—be it on the giving or the receving end—would be wise to be aware.

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Copyright 2009 by Rosabella Knightley

3 Responses to “Energy Healing”
Rosabella Knightley says:
March 3, 2010 at 1:02 am
I completely understand. It is a very hard topic. The point that I find the most helpful is this thought.

The Lord tells us that spiritual healing comes from the Holy Ghost and that it is a gift of the Spirit and it is based on the faith of the persons and the will of the Lord. We are also told that in order to be able to have any spiritual gift one must be living worthy of having the companionship of the Holy Ghost. Therefore if this is true then how is it that persons that are living very wicked lives can be trained to heal without the Holy Ghost? For the Holy Ghost could not be with them.

In contrast we see Prophets of the Lord fasting and praying ahead of time to have the Spirit with them to be able to heal someone. I see a great contrast here. It appears there is a path to healing in which the Lord is not involved, so who is? If it is just us and our using a force then why does the Lord call it a Gift of the Spirit and not just something we learn like reading or writing?

grego: I think there’s a big misunderstanding here on Ms. Knightley’s part—energy healers don’t use the Holy Ghost to heal; they can’t.

Once more, just because it is energy doesn’t mean it is now a completely separate issue than all other forms of healing and life.

Light heals—is it good or bad? What if a wicked person heals another with light? Did light somehow become the power of the Devil?

Sound heals—is it good or bad? What if a wicked person heals another with sound? Did sound somehow become the power of the Devil?

Shapes (such as sacred geometry) heal—is it good or bad? What if a wicked person heals another with shapes? Did shapes somehow become the power of the Devil?

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  1. Grego,

    Curious if I could get said letter where Apostle approves of Energy Healing?

    Thanks,
    Shawn

    Comment by Shawn — 2010, August 12 @ 4:48 am

  2. Hi Shawn,

    Putting up a copy of the letters (my letter and the reply) was something I considered when I first posted this. There were three main reasons I didn’t:
    1. too busy
    2. didn’t (and don’t) have the ability on this blog (you need to pay extra to upload stuff)
    3. it was private communication to a general member, and even though there was nothing in the letter to restrict my putting it all up, I believe it’s a common decency to not put it all up, nor say which apostle it was, etc. I also didn’t want to put it up as anything authoritative and binding for anyone.

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    As to “Apostle approves of Energy Healing”, I wrote:
    “…when I asked one about a year ago, there was nothing about “the practice of energy healing of this kind is not to be done by church members”—nothing even remotely like that; in fact, it was clear that was not the case.
    Let me say that one more time, as I think it is very important:
    THERE IS NOTHING FROM ANY “PROPER AUTHORITY” THAT “ENERGY HEALING IS NOT TO BE DONE BY CHURCH MEMBERS” as Ms. Knightley wrote.”

    There was no “approves”; in fact, that was the point—the apostle would not say anything negative about/ against it, when clearly asked. This is in direct contrast with Ms. Knightley’s claim.

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    I will share a little about the letters.
    From my letter:
    I shared a few healing methods (starting with Emotional Freedom Technique/ EFT, and Quantum Touch—both “energy work”; hypnois, NLP, kinesiology), then wrote: “Many LDS seem ready to reject anything that is not “normal” or under the AMA (American Medical Association) as misinformation, unscientific, quackery, or perhaps even of being from Satan…I would hope that the attitude of Church members be turned from one of despising to at least neutrality towards “alternative medicine”…Would it be possible to at least acknowledge or show by actions or Ensign articles, that members need not despise alternative medicine and only rely on Western “traditional medicine” for healing (other than priesthood blessings), whether it be for psychological or physical problems? [I know people who suffer] yet [feel] that they are not allowed to try alternative treatments… because they felt very uneasy about the method because of their perceived view of the Church’s view…because they feel the Church doesn’t or wouldn’t approve.”

    From apostle’s reply: “…the Church cannot get into the position of evaluating different methods of healing…At the same time, I am also sorry when people feel that they cannot pursue alternative methods when those are the ones that seem to them to work best…You make some points I am sure [Church magazines] will want to consider in connection with their editorial activities.”

    Given the opportunity, most people will see and understand differences between things “cultural” and things “gospel”, things “researched” and things “believed”. It’s very cultural for Western societies to use Western “scientific” medicine; yet, there’s nothing “gospel” about that, other than the principle of the Word of Wisdom–do the best you can, in the right ways, to take care of your temple. What about Indians? Generally they go with Ayurvedic medicine, and it works quite well. What about Chinese? Generally they go with Chinese Traditional medicine, and it works quite well. Etc. To accept only Western traditional medicine is very self-centered and close-minded—two principles the Church doesn’t espouse or condone.

    Comment by grego — 2010, August 15 @ 4:27 pm

  3. If it is not the priesthood, it is not of God. Stop fooling yourself.

    Comment by James — 2011, May 5 @ 3:38 am

  4. Hi James,

    Thanks for sharing, even if it was just your unsupported opinion.

    I was wondering if you could answer those 13 questions?

    I am also wondering, what do you do for healing? Nothing whatsoever but priesthood blessings? No medicine, no doctors, no … anything other than priesthood blessings?

    What are your views on:
    –Doctrine and Covenants 89:10-11?
    –Brigham Young and apostles on herbs?
    –Alma 46:40?
    –electricity? Is electricity from God or from Satan? If from God, why do children die from it? If from Satan, why hasn’t any prophet chastized us for sinning?

    Can you find any quote from any leader in Conference or a Church magazine that would support your point of view? Thanks.

    Best regards,
    grego

    Comment by grego — 2011, May 6 @ 8:40 am

  5. Elder Oaks talked about a Baptist community who came together and were able to heal someone through faith. Obviously a healing occurred without proper priesthood authority. Bruce R. McConckie (spelling?) said that we should not subject ourselves to hypnosis, BUT it did not apply to hypnotherapy. Many energy healing modalities could be found to be very “scientific” including tapping parts of our body that correspond with our nervous system. I do believe that “channeling” and working with familiar spirits is evil, but does that mean that we don’t have an aura? or chakras? Non-lds are God’s children and can obtain truth. Actually where do you think ALL profound scientific/medical discoveries have come from? God, yet through a non-member – Great minds have said that answers have come to them in moments of silence. Faith is a principle of creation (Hebrews 11) The Lectures of Faith say that movement in intelligent beings is because of Faith. When you move your arm, walk down the street, pray, visualize a better circumstance, etc. it’s all FAITH. Faith was and has always been a self-existent principle. The question is? Who do you have Faith in? And even if others are using energy healing – they can’t use those skills for important ordinances for Salvation, only LDS Priesthood. Different modalities are evil (some “evil” is ignorance), but some can be good, some medications are bad, some are good. When YOU start to think YOU are the source of healing, that is pride – and evil. God is the source of all good healing and blessing. But if you have faith in medical associations, then stay with that. But the Spirit will always lead you right. In life, healing, paths, etc.

    Comment by Sean — 2011, June 19 @ 4:00 am

  6. Thank you for sharing, Sean!

    grego

    Comment by grego — 2011, June 21 @ 11:08 am

  7. Hi,
    I found this site while researching “energy Healings”.I met a medical intuitive that I really like and she is doing some work on my grandson.After we brought him to her I began to get nervous about wether it was in line with gospel principles,mainly out of fear of the unknown ,as you’ve discussed above.Although,It is really working with our whole family.The more we say positive affirmations the better the whole family feels.After his first session all he could say was “I feel like church,I keep thinking about church,I keep seeing people from church in my mind.I feel he was feeling the “holy spirit”.This is why I love being LDS because we know we lived before we know the power of God and that we may become like Him.We will someday remember how to heal as he does and be telepathic like we were once.Maybe some peoples veil is thinner than others and they can still use those gifts.To write them off because they aren’t members of the church is closed minded and hypocritical. Thank you for posting this blog and I agree you should keep yourself annonymous because your right about human perception.By the way I’m an RN and if people only new the “side-effects” from western medicine,compared to them of “holistic” they may have a whole new perspective.Thanks again “me”

    Me,
    I’m sorry, I though I had responded soon after you posted, but whether it was a clear mistake on my part or a computer mistake…
    We all do have different gifts as Heavenly Father’s children, whether members or not, and all have the opportunity to do good, whether they know the source or not (just like with doing wickedly and not knowing the source).
    I hope your grandson continues to get better!
    Best wishes,
    grego

    Comment by "me" — 2011, August 30 @ 3:27 pm

  8. I just got out of an interview with my bishop. I had asked him about energy healing, and he flatly told me that it is NOT condoned by the Church. He told me that there is the Priesthood, and then there is everything else. If you are LDS you should know that your bishop is your spiritual adviser and he is the leader of your ward and you should trust and follow his judgement. This is not to say that bishops are not human and fallible; but as far as doctrinal matters are concerned, within their ward, they have the final say. I urge anyone who is LDS and looking for real information on energy work to go to their bishop.

    Comment by James — 2011, September 21 @ 2:31 am

  9. James,

    Have you ever heard the Church condone anything, really? As the apostle said, the church is not in the condoning business–otherwise where does it stop?
    So the question is, does the Church prohibit it? The answer is, it doesn’t. Does the church even discourage it? No, it doesn’t. Pretty much, if you feel it’s the best way for you, and it’s not prohibited, good luck with it!

    I like to listen to my spiritual advisers as they listen to God, and receive their revelation for me, for myself. I suggest everyone to do that, too, which is also what prophets have taught us to do.

    It might happen to be that your bishop is analytical and Western, and indoctrinated in Western things. Anything cultural that stands in the way of the Spirit is something we should be aware of.

    “There is the priesthood, and then there is everything else.” Hmmm… Like doctors, herbs, and all that stuff, too? This implies to me that not only does your bishop not understand what energy healing is, how it’s done, etc., but contradicts what the prophets and apostles have said. I would be wary of his counsel.

    To call this a “doctrinal matter” that your bishop is clear about, in this case, is misleading.

    grego

    P.S. By the way, my bishop loved energy healing. ;)

    Comment by grego — 2011, September 21 @ 1:59 pm

  10. A quote from James E. Faust from a talk “The Great Deciever” 1987… “Avoid all forms of the occult like the plague…”
    I agree with the stand that energy healing is not of God… I have been decieved by energy practitioners and have gotten sicker and sicker, instead of better. I believe energy practices open the door to more occultic influences. Some have their origins in the occult, for example, the founder of kinesiology was into the occult. Think of the law of witnesses… when we read the scriptures, we recieve the influence of the spirit testifying of it’s truth from God. We know that there must be opposition in all things, so if energy healing is based in something of Satan, then his influence will be experienced as well… since he is ‘the great deciever’, the influence we might experience is one of thinking energy healing is a good thing, or more illness, confusion, etc.
    I like the episode of Little House on the Prarie where an evangelist does fake healing, and a boy dies from untreated appendicitis because the father believed that the evangelist healed his son…

    Comment by Anonymous — 2011, November 22 @ 5:41 pm

  11. Anonymous,
    I agree with the quote.

    How many people can say, “I have been deceived by doctors and have gotten sicker and sicker, instead of better”? I can, more than once, too. Does that make doctors members of the occult? Using your standards, it would seem so; but not in my book.

    I know that Western medicine drugs open the doors to occultic influence–I’ve had that experience; something many SSRI users who commit suicide could attest to, too, for example.
    “Some have their origins in the occult, for example, the founder of kinesiology was
    into the occult.” My doctor is into the occult; does that mean Western medicine is occultic?

    You *like* that episode? Ok…

    I guess this is often one of those topics that people don’t use clear thinking skills to try to understand and/ or discuss…

    Comment by grego — 2011, November 22 @ 11:41 pm

  12. grego: I seriously doubt I’m going to change Berit’s point of view, so… :

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    Berit:
    I have felt the Spirit with RK’s remarks.

    grego: I haven’t.

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    I feel if we are striving to obedient to the Lord, and in so doing, choose to veer away from new-age / energy healing methods, if we exercise faith to be healed in His Holy Priesthood, the Lord will not hold back any potential healing if we receive a PH blessing, and seek His guidance.

    grego: Unless, of course, you limit what He is telling you.

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    I have been healed. If it is His will for me to not be healed, than I will not impose my own energy healing, and trust in the Lord that healing is ultimately through Him, and His wisdom is greater than mine.

    grego: I have healed and been healed using many different things, no problem. If it its not His will for you to be healed, do you still see a doctor? Do you still try herbs? I believe you do–am I wrong? Do you see the fallacy in this thinking? Do you see how this thinking contradicts Brigham Young’s thinking?

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    I don’t believe He would hold back any blessing from me for feeling wary of energy healing, and deciding to seek the Lord’s healing in another way.

    grego: Perhaps. Let me ask: If you limit Him, do you believe that’s fine? Do you believe that someone could say that about the gospel? Of course not! But this isn’t the gospel, so like I said, perhaps…

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    Proverbs 3:5,6 says that He will direct our steps, especially when we can’t figure things out. It is easy to set aside our faith and seek to figure things out on our own, but I have felt uneasy using AK. I have been tempted to use AK outside of the realm of healing. I began to perceive that my will was trumping the Lord’s–leading me off-course from the straight and narrow path.

    grego: Berit, that can be said for *anything* that might lead us away–including, but not limited to: books, talks, advice, etc. on/ about almost anything; even Jesus told the apostle Peter: “Get thee hence, Satan” for doing so. So, there’s no need to single out AK.
    Not only that, but I have a hard time believing someone could learn AK and not be taught that it is not to be used for “the big questions of the universe”. If no one taught you that, I wouldn’t blame you, I can understand.

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    I came to realize I must repent and trust the Lord’s will for my life. His ability to help me navigate from on high and avoid Satan’s many snares has proved infinitely more wise and joyous than the path I tried to forge, a path that seemed, without trusting on my Heavenly Father, to only get darker and drearier.

    grego: Absolutely!!

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    I believe Satan is so subtle with trying to open us up to “enlightened” syncretism, and there are many shades of this. It is something that weighed upon me and I finally am feeling at peace that I shall not entertain these alternative spiritual realms.

    grego: Can you explain why you define these as “spiritual realms”?

    -=
    Why would we even think to with the Holy Priesthood and the ability to pray and heal according to our faith and our Father’s will.

    grego: And what is His will?

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    The Lord has guided me to frequency healing, and I have had miracles through this.

    grego: This is interesting… You talk about the “Holy Priesthood” and “faith” and “Father’s will”–and then you talk about “frequency healing”?? Did you miss something? Hey, frequency healing is no problem in my book, but the leap from “feel good with only God” to frequency healing is incredibly contradictory.

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    He’s guided me to the most potent yet harmless healing substances (i.e. limu moui / brown seaweed from Tonga).

    grego: Priesthood, God, and faith—or seaweed? Once more, this is great, but contradictory.

    -=
    There are indeed many things that I’ve been blessed to find by His hand, that have made it so I could heal without the crutch of a single drug.

    grego: And I think this is wonderful, and would help the lives of so many if they would try like this, too. :)

    -=
    I pray all who seek healing will find it in the way that the Lord subscribes, and stay away from things that appear seductive or give you any unease.

    grego: Which is exactly what frequency healing and seaweed are to the majority of people, right?

    -=
    The Lord has shown so much mercy, patience, and kindness to me in my journeys. I don’t judge anyone who performs or seeks these, but I feel that I’m treading much more safely and happily when I stay clear of things that have any question mark.

    grego: And I can understand and agree with that, and I’m not going to argue with that here.

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    The sources / inspirations of many of these new age energies are not of God. If it is not of God, it will fail ultimately.

    grego: Is frequency healing and seaweed from God? What are they, but not energy healing? What is the difference? If you say, “energy”–once more, is electricity from God or Satan? solar? batteries? etc.

    -=
    I have found healing in my Savior, who has guided my steps. My belated husband was appointed unto death.

    grego: Maybe.

    -=
    We have found peace in trusting in the eternal course of the Lord. He overcame death, and His resurrected hand rests upon the shoulder of my husband (passed at 38) ~ we literally have a picture of him and I standing in front of the picture where He appears to Mary in the garden just after He was resurrected, and the way my husband is standing, it appears Christ’s resurrected hand rests on his shoulder. I’m next to him blocking Mary in the picture. This was the most beautiful picture of us, and was selected for his funeral service program. The Lord has given me a double portion of blessings since this has happened. Miracles have flooded into my life that I don’t have room enough to receive!

    grego: I think that is special for you, and nice. No doubt Jesus is the resurrection and the life!!

    Comment by Berit — 2012, January 27 @ 6:39 pm

  13. F.M.,

    I do, but I don’t check it often, and then it’s glancing at the inbox. Best chances of me seeing it: you can just write it up here, just asking to not publish it, and I’ll keep the comment from being approved (just like this example), then can write you. When you write back, my email will keep and mark it for me, and then using email is fine.
    grego

    Comment by grego — 2012, May 5 @ 1:39 am

  14. Intuition allows for accessing the understanding most often not available to our senses.
    Call it a still voice, a hint or a gut feeling
    – right after it starts occurring you will comprehend that it’s no coincidence.!|
    Dowsing is a art you can use to access the intuition employing dowsing pendulum as well as divining rod.
    I have been doing it for a long time and In my opinion just about anyone can very well learn it.

    Comment by check it out — 2012, July 26 @ 12:38 am

  15. I realize this is an old post, but I just have to say that the reason most members of the church have a problem with energy healing as opposed to medicine is because it is a spiritual form of healing. You yourself said that it is a spiritual experience. Why then if we are going to a spiritual form of healing do we just not use the priesthood? You must be careful with the various forms of spiritual healing that are out there, as you and RK both pointed out. It is just a little gray to use any other spiritual healing than the priesthood, and that is why most members are uncomfortable with it. I’m sure there is some sort of science behind energy healing, but is it just science? Are you sure? I’m sure it takes a lot of meditation, pondering, and faith along with it, right? Why shouldn’t the priesthood be just as good then? How can you be sure with matters like that? Satan is very cunning with his counterfeits. Good for you if you are able to sift through the good and the bad, but I hope you don’t get caught on a slippery slope. Just so you know there is no neutral energy and you are a fool to believe so. As RK quoted from Jeffery R. Holland he says it is either claimed by God or counterclaimed by Satan. That statement is pretty clear. There is no neutral ground. God controls everything unless Satan counterclaims something for himself and his wicked purposes. So yes, electricity, wind, everything is in God’s control unless Satan steals it and twists it into something evil. I myself stay away from any healing that will endanger my spirit whether it be energy healing or antidepressants, but that is just me. If energy healing works better for you as a spiritual healing than what the Gospel has to offer, then you should be trying harder with the Gospel in my opinion. Go to the temple, fast weekly, have multiple priesthood blessings, pray and study the Atonement constantly, and above all else be humble and trust in the Lord. If you still aren’t healed or receive enlightenment on how to be healed, then wait upon the Lord. He does things in his own due time, and be ok that you may not be healed until the resurrection.

    Comment by Sam — 2013, March 4 @ 7:18 pm

  16. Sam,

    I’ll leave your comment up, but I see that you didn’t add much, but just said the same things the con-alternative healing side has said a few times already. Can you do me a favor, and answer ANY of the questions that I have asked? Wait, you did… So you’d say that electricity in your house is under God’s control, but when your child sticks a metal fork into an outlet, the electricity now comes under Satan’s control, correct?
    -=
    Can you give me a definition of “spiritual”?
    -=
    “If energy healing works better for you as a spiritual healing than what the Gospel has to offer, then you should be trying harder with the Gospel in my opinion.”

    And I say, if driving a car gets you to church faster than what the Gospel can do, then you should be trying harder with the Gospel in my opinion.” Huh??

    I’d say most people don’t like it because it is incongruent with their world view.

    Comment by grego — 2013, March 5 @ 9:38 am

  17. Wow Sam. (And anyone else who thinks energy medicine is evil) Can I just say that ANY healing, be it a Priesthood blessing, herbs, essential oils, placebo effect, or energy work IS spiritual for me, because I give ALL credit for that healing to my Heavenly Father, and I know that it is through the Atonement that we are healed. It has strengthened my testimony and grown my faith by leaps and bounds. It has caused me to pray more than I ever did before, and it makes me appreciate and love Priesthood blessings as a separate but complimentary tool in healing… It has not diminished, but only strengthened my testimony. . No matter which healing tool we use that He has given people knowledge of throughout the ages, IF we stay in the Light and use the power of discernment (a gift we’ve been given) we can heal, and it comes through the Savior. There is a counterfeit to EVERY single thing on this earth. People can be deceived. That is why we’ve been given guidance through scripture and our prophets… “By their fruits he shall know them”, right? What about the”gifts of healing”, given to all faithful members, including women, spoken of in the scriptures? THAT is not Priesthood healing, and yet the Lord has given it to us. Is that evil and we should stay clear of it? Even in energy work, WHICH I MYSELF DO – AND HAVE HAD DONE, I have learned through much prayer and fasting what to stay clear of. This would include things like guides, channeling, telling futures, calling in spirits, and other things. But for heaven’s sake, there are prominent members of the church who have had acupuncture, reflexology, foot zoning, EFT, etc… Anne Romney controls her MS with Cranio-Sacral Therapy and acupuncture! Both energy modalities! Yoga and meditation use energy healing!! Listen to episode 39 on the Mormon Channel about that! Chakras are specifically talked about in Ezekiel. Did you know that? Carolyn Cooper, an LDS woman I trained under in Saint George this year for The Simply Healed Method has been doing energy work for over 20 years, was YW Pres not long ago, is now Gospel Doctrine teacher, and her husband is BISHOP. Her stake leaders and higher are fully aware of what she does, and they are very supportive. She helps many members of her own ward and regularly works on them with full support of her leaders. What I do is help people’s bodies be in a clearer and better equipped state to do what they were designed to do… HEAL. I am not the healer, Christ is. And my helping people is no guarantee that they will heal, just as using meds and getting a Priesthood blessing is no guarantee that earthly healing will take place. It’s all according to God’s will. Our church leaders have directly said that there is TRUTH IN ALL THINGS and to be a Mormon is to accept that and be willing to learn from ANY source that promotes anything good, light, happy, peaceful, and positive. If people are having negative experiences/feelings with energy work, then they are most definitely not working with someone in the Light, and they do not understand what energy work/alternative medicine truly is. For anyone else wondering our doubtful that energy work IS “ok” to use if you’re a Mormon, please read “Healing Arts, A Gift From God – LDS insights on the Light of Christ and Energy Medicine” by Tamara Lang. There. I’m done.

    Comment by The Modern Pioneer Mom — 2013, July 8 @ 4:56 am

  18. Hi, did you want the other post up instead, with your MPM info, etc.? If so, I can switch them. :)

    Comment by grego — 2013, July 13 @ 3:43 am

  19. Just the MPM one. I didn’t mean for both of them to get posted. Sorry :) One more thing I’d like to mention….. Deseret Book DOES currently carry books that talk about energy healing/energy work, eastern practices of spiritual, mental, & physical healing, as well as chakras, energy systems, meditation, quantum physics, etc… Just a few that I’m aware of (so far) & purchased from there recently are “Light In The Wilderness” by M. Catherine Thomas, “Feelings Buried Alive Never Die” by Karol Truman, “The Gift of Giving Life” by Felice Austin, Lani Axman, Heather Farrell, Robyn Allgood, & Sheridan Ripley, & “Christ Centered Meditation” by Pam Blackwell. You’d be amazed at the things the Brethren have said about these kinds of things. Another great book that talks about energy (and healing) is “Joseph Smith As Scientist” by John A. Widtsoe. Sounds like members of the church should stretch themselves & branch out a little bit, like our leaders & scriptures have encouraged us to do. It’s no fun living in a bubble & being afraid of the unknown. It’s amazing how wonderfully fulfilling it can be to learn of truth from all directions :)

    Comment by The Modern Pioneer Mom — 2013, July 13 @ 7:15 pm

  20. BTW, The Modern Pioneer Mom,

    I have just realized that I never said thank you for sharing so much with us!
    THANK YOU! :)

    grego

    Comment by grego — 2014, February 3 @ 1:31 pm

  21. If energy/spiritual healing is so good, why would church leaders come out with this?

    Comment by Ruth Miller — 2016, September 24 @ 5:17 pm

  22. Come out with what? RK is not a church leader.

    Comment by grego — 2016, September 28 @ 3:11 pm


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