Book of Mormon Notes– How deep can you dig?

2008, July 15

Critique of: “The Bible Versus the Book of Mormon”, by Eric Lyons

grego’s Critique of: “The Bible Versus the Book of Mormon by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

“Apologetics Press :: Bible Bullets
Copyright © 2002 Apologetics Press, Inc. All rights reserved. (for their article)

The article, and my comments:

“Similar to the insecure person who hangs around the rich and famous for the sole reason of establishing himself, the Book of Mormon has attempted to make a name for itself by “cozying up to” the Bible. The very first line in the “Introduction” to the Mormons’ revered text states: “The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.” Even the Book of Mormon’s subtitle (“Another Testament of Jesus Christ”—emp. added) lends credibility to the Bible. Obviously, the Mormons have attempted to give credence to their scripture by comparing it to the Bible. Furthermore, a crucial element of the Mormon religion found in their Article of Faith #8 says: “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God” (emp. added).”

grego: Cute and all, but no real substance. Um, yeah, LDS believe in the Bible. References to the Book of Mormon being a Bible occurred frequently in the past–by nonmembers. It is scripture and similar to the Bible in many ways, not just esoteric writings or nice teachings or such. So why not call it similar to the Bible?

“If both the Bible and the Book of Mormon are inspired by God, then reason demands that they must never contradict one another.”

grego: Right, just like the Bible never contradicts itself (cough, cough)… Nevertheless, given and understood correctly, the Bible and the Book of Mormon don’t contradict each other.

“No book from God’s hand will contain factual mistakes because He does not make mistakes.”

grego: Well, if God wrote it, probably not; but did God write the Bible and the Book of Mormon, or did inspired men?

“By definition, He is omniscient and perfect in all His ways (cf. Psalm 139:1-6; 1 John 3:20). The truth is, however, they do contradict one another.”

grego: Ok, time for evidence and proof. And please, make the evidence much stronger than the evidence of the Bible contradicting itself, ok?

“The Book of Mormon contains numerous passages that contradict what the Bible says. The following examples are conspicuous instances of such contradictions.
The Book of Mormon contends that at the tower of Babel, a group of people known as the Jaredites had their separate language (Ether 1:34-35, emp. added). As most Bible students know, however, until God confused the languages at Babel (Genesis 11:7-9), “the whole earth was of one language” (Genesis 11:1, emp. added). It seems Joseph Smith mistakenly thought there were many different languages at Babel and that God confounded them while sparing the language of the Jaredites. The fact is, there was only one language and God confounded the people by creating different languages.”

grego: Why would one emphasize something that doesn’t even exist in the text? Why do so many anti-Mormon apologists still have a hard time with reading comprehension? Where does “separate language”, other than the first langauge, occur in the Book of Mormon record? You can’t find it? Neither can I…

“Contrary to the Bible prophecy concerning the Lord’s birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), and the fulfillment of that prophecy in Matthew 2:1, the Book of Mormon reads: “And behold, he (Jesus) shall be born of Mary at Jerusalem” (Alma 7:10, parenthetical comment and emp. added). The writer of the Book of Mormon was simply wrong.”

grego: I can’t believe that this *still* comes up. Is it lack of reading comprehension once more, or complete lack of apologetics? Granted, this article was from 2002, but still… A simple search on the internet can find numerous answers. I know that Nibley answered this a long time ago, as did a 1984 Ensign article. At least write a little more about it, as did one or two others…

“The Bible tells us that at the crucifixion of Jesus, darkness covered the land for three hours (Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44). However, the Book of Mormon states three different times that there was darkness “for the space of three days” (Helaman 14:20,27; 3 Nephi 8:3, emp. added). Of course, this is a big difference.”

grego: Reading comprehension, geography, or critical thinking ability? I’ll go for the latter two here. Does the Book of Mormon say “three days in Jerusalem”? Nope. Is it possible for darkness to last for three hours in Jerusalem, and three days in the Americas, a continent away? Maybe, eh? Not the same place, folks. Were perhaps the causes different? Maybe so, eh?

“Finally, whereas the Book of Mormon has people wearing the name Christian in about 73 B.C. (Alma 46:13, 15), the Bible clearly reveals that the disciples of Christ “were called Christians first in Antioch” (Acts 11:26, emp. added). This was in approximately A.D. 40, and thus represents a difference of over 100 years. Which account are people to believe? After all, according to Mormons, both books are inspired.”

grego: Once more, geography has some relevance here.

“The fact that there are numerous disagreements between the Bible and the Book of Mormon does not disparage the Bible in any way. In fact, a Bible believer would expect there to be contradictions between the two, since the Bible never gives any legitimacy to the Book of Mormon, but actually condemns it (cf. Galatians 1:6-9, Revelation 22:18-19, 2 Peter 1:3, and Jude 3).”

grego: “Numerous disagreements”? I’m still waiting for at least one that is worth discussing…
No, the Bible doesn’t condemn the Book of Mormon. Check the scriptures agains, you’ll see clearly.

“On the other hand, the Book of Mormon easily is exposed as fiction when compared to and contrasted with the Bible, which Mormons claim is “the word of God.””

grego: Waiting…

“Simply put, if both the Bible and the Book of Mormon were inspired by God, then they never would contradict each other. However, since they do disagree with one another (in a number of places), the Book of Mormon is obviously a fraud, written by con men, not inspired men.”

grego: Two comments. One, still waiting for at least a semi-valid example of a contradiction. Second, what does one make of all the contradictions within the Bible itself?
I’m interested in hearing a reply to this double-standard.

Well, it seems other works under Apologetics Press regarding the Book of Mormon are in a similar vein and have a similar (lack of) scholarship, so I think I ‘m done with that website.

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  1. The Book of Mormon is another Book of the Bible. If you are going to quote something, get it right.

    Comment by Michelle — 2008, August 1 @ 1:12 pm

  2. Sometimes, it’s better to let a comment stand on its own than to say anything… :[

    (Ok, I’ll admit, I’m not clear what was meant by this comment. If you can figure out what was meant, let me know. Is she really saying her Bible contains a book called the Book of Mormon? And is she talking to me or the original author?)

    Comment by grego — 2008, August 2 @ 2:00 am

  3. The book of mormon is just another lie from the old snake himself.It does contradict the Bible even on where Christ was born and much of Old Testament law.The book of mormon is pure heresy,and mormons are polytheistic(beleaf in more than one God),thats paganism for those of you that didn’t know.Mormonism is straight from hell.Made from false prophets(joseph smith).He claimed to have found a new gospel and what does the Bible have to say about that?Well just look up Galatians1:6-8.The Holy Bible is our final authority and the book of mormon is pure heresy!!!!!!

    Comment by jordan — 2008, August 17 @ 7:57 pm

  4. Jordan, please think before commenting, thanks, so we don’t get another comment full of useless rhetoric.

    Jordan, have you even read a page of the Book of Mormon? No? Did you even read the part of the article about where Jesus was born? Not really? Did you even bother to check out other resources on this? No? Why am I *not* surprised?

    So, if [one element of a religion] = [one element of another religion], then [religion one] = [religion 2]… Interesting… By that logic, since (take your pick of ChristianTM) believe in Jesus = Mormons believe in Jesus–that means ChristiansTM are Mormons! Does it work??

    Should you throw out the New Testament too, because it “contradicts much of Old Testament law”.

    Galatians 1:6-8 says nothing about Joseph Smith, right?

    “Not only do I hate the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith, but dang it, since they’re of the devil, I’m not going to even capitalize those names like I do the Bible!!”

    The Holy Bible might be your final authority (though I have no idea who the “our” you refer to is), but we believe God is ours (LDS). The Book of Mormon? Why, His word.

    Comment by grego — 2008, August 23 @ 4:34 am

  5. The church of Jesus Christ of Lader Day Saints is sect of the Anti-Christ!!! Not of God !! It was finished at the Cross! FINISHED AT THE CROSS. Another Testament is not NECESSARY !!! Was not necessary !!! Want be necessary!!!

    Comment by Shelby Williams — 2008, September 20 @ 7:25 am

  6. I assume you’re talking about the same church…

    Shelby, have you ever read the Book of Mormon? Have you ever attended worship services? You might even be able to catch it on the religion channel.

    “Finished at the cross”–I’m not sure what that means, but I imagine if you’re talking about the atonement, I would pretty much agree. But then one could also say it was finished at the tomb with the resurrection. Or is it still going when each person, now and later, commits to follow Jesus and is baptized? But what does that have to do with the Book of Mormon? I can’t see a connection, so I’m thinking “the whole thing” was finished? Well, I believe Peter, James, John, and Paul didn’t seem to think so. Have the prophecies of John in Revelation, Daniel, and others been fulfilled? Has the rapture come yet (for those that believe in it)? Has the restoration of all things Paul prophesied come yet? So I think that it’s far from finished in lots of ways.

    Comment by grego — 2008, September 21 @ 9:22 pm

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